The Problem of Evil, Another Theological Problem Options

[Simba]

The "problem of evil" is an argument against the existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent God. Basically, this proposes that an omnipotent and omni-benevolent God and evil existing in our world contradict and that because there is clearly evil in the world, God cannot exist.

The logical problem of evil argument, I personally think, does the best job of making what the problem of evil is proposing clear.

1. God exists. (premise)
2. God is omnipotent. (premise - or true by definition of the word 'God')
3. God is all-benevolent. (premise - or true by definition)
4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise - or true by definition)
5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise)
6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4)
7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2)

1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways which do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)
2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1)
3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5)

8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3)
9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, or he is not both omnipotent and all-benevolent or there is a reason why He does not act immediately.

On the flip side, one of the most popular defenses is proposed by Augustine of Hippo, a Christian, which basically goes that evil is only the complete deprivation of good.

I personally think that argument is relatively weak, so I'll also throw in the free will argument (which basically states that God gave us free will as to not have us as "mindless robots") just to have the topic start out somewhat neutral.

1. Free will requires the potential to so anything one chooses. (premise, or by definition)
2. Thus, free will requires the potential to do evil.
3. Thus, removing the potential to do evil would remove free will.

Discuss.

[sweetangel2128]

Funny. I was actually having this discussion with my boyfriend today on the Yin Yang theory. They believe that Yin & Yang are the balance of Good & Evil and my boyfriend came to the conclusion that without one or the other, the world would be chaotic.

I believe in God and yes he does exist but just because he's all powerful doesn't imply that there can't be Evil. There can be because of the Devil...evil is created by the Devil not God. And since he gives all free will, if he stopped things from happening, it would no longer be free will.

[Simba]

Funny. I was actually having this discussion with my boyfriend today on the Yin Yang theory. They believe that Yin & Yang are the balance of Good & Evil and my boyfriend came to the conclusion that without one or the other, the world would be chaotic.

Well, what do you personally think about the Yin & Yang theory?

I believe in God and yes he does exist but just because he's all powerful doesn't imply that there can't be Evil.

Right-o, but it's not his all powerful-ness that implies that there can't be evil, it's his omni-benevolence that implies that there can't be evil.

There can be because of the Devil...evil is created by the Devil not God. And since he gives all free will, if he stopped things from happening, it would no longer be free will.

The "Devil" is practically irrelevant here. If the "Devil" was affecting God's creations in a way that God does not approve, He should easily be able to rid of the Devil (due to his omnipotence).

However, there can still be free will without the "Devil".

[sweetangel2128]

Well, what do you personally think about the Yin & Yang theory?Right-o, but it's not his all powerful-ness that implies that there can't be evil, it's his omni-benevolence that implies that there can't be evil.The "Devil" is practically irrelevant here. If the "Devil" was affecting God's creations in a way that God does not approve, He should easily be able to rid of the Devil (due to his omnipotence).

However, there can still be free will without the "Devil".

Personally, I really don't know much about the Yin & Yang theory until I studied it today. It is basically believed as I said to be the balance between good and evil. Other then that I can't really say.

Explain to me what omni-benevolence is?

No, because if God were to rid of the Devil no one would have a choice in following God or the Devil because he wouldn't exist therefore free will wouldn't really exist, we'd all be taught to follow God but if the Devil was destroyed there would be no evil in our world because it's the devil who created evil in the first place so if he didn't exist, everything would be good and like I said before everyone would follow God but since he gave us free will, we can choose evil over good if we wanted to.

How come no one else is responding to this? LOL.

[NoSex]

How come no one else is responding to this? LOL.

Because everyone knew that you would ruin our fun.
Read a book.

[Kontroll]

Because everyone knew that you would ruin our fun.
Read a book.

HAHAHAHAHA. That's what I told her.

The "problem of evil" is an argument against the existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent God. Basically, this proposes that an omnipotent and omni-benevolent God and evil existing in our world contradict and that because there is clearly evil in the world, God cannot exist.

The logical problem of evil argument, I personally think, does the best job of making what the problem of evil is proposing clear.
On the flip side, one of the most popular defenses is proposed by Augustine of Hippo, a Christian, which basically goes that evil is only the complete deprivation of good.

I personally think that argument is relatively weak, so I'll also throw in the free will argument (which basically states that God gave us free will as to not have us as "mindless robots") just to have the topic start out somewhat neutral.
Discuss.

Well, I think it would be wise to give Augustine a little credit. He was a philosopher and theologian. Was he not? No, seriously. I could be wrong. I don't know much about him.

Evil: In religion and ethics, evil refers to the morally objectionable aspects of the behaviour and reasoning of human beings — those which are deliberately void of conscience, and show a wanton penchant for destruction. Evil is sometimes defined as the absence of a good which could and should be present; the absence of which is a void in what should be.

Firstly, God exists out of time. He dwells in eternity. What is eternity? Anything not bound by time and space, really. So, we have a time line for example. Eternity can't be measure, but for the sake of our own sanity, I'll just put a timeline.

|ETERNITY--------------------------------------|TIME-AND-SPACE|-ETERNITY--------------|

When God is confronted with evil in the Bible, it cannot be present for long. The devil is evil, because he is prideful. He was the most beautiful angel in Heaven, and he thought he was as good as God. What does this tell us. Angels at least had free will. So, the presence of free will determines that evil must be present also.

[sweetangel2128]

HAHAHAHAHA. That's what I told her.

I read them all the time. You know I wasn't going to mention this before but now I think it's okay to say this because I believe this has gone far enough. All I've gotten from you is disrespect. You sit there and call yourself a Christian, you say you believe in the Bible yet you disrespect me and my friend. How can you call yourself a Christian, follow the Bible and think it's okay to disrespect another human being. Jesus asked us to love our neighbor which you are going against.

So learn some respect, read the Bible again and learn what it says and follow it's laws and what it says, don't claim you do and pretend to follow it and then don't...that is what you call a hypocrit.