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You Are Not the Body, So who are you?
Simba
post Mar 14 2007, 03:45 PM
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"I am a collection of water, calcium and organic molecules called Carl Sagan. You are a collection of almost identical molecules with a different collective label." -- Carl Sagan, Scientist

There are many people who believe that they, real selves, are in fact their body. However, there have been other people that have suggested that you are actually not your body, but an eternal soul.

An analogy supporting this would be that we are to our bodies as people are to cars. A person drives a car, has to take care of the car, can decorate the car, but is in fact not the car itself.

Sound too supernatural to be for real? Discuss.
 
 
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post Mar 14 2007, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 14 2007, 8:32 PM) *
I believe that we do not have souls in the traditional sense, but that definitely have metaphysical features, or spirits. I believe that death is a constant out-of-body experience (to anyone who has ever had one, you know what I'm talking about), and that as we are, our metaphysical selves and our physical selves are working in a bit of a parasitic bond. The body strengthens from the spirit, while the spirit is constrained to our body's limitations.

Being pretty informed about and active in the world of psionics (similar to chakra and chi), my perspective is pretty different from an average person's.
Right, but what I'm talking about is that you aren't the body at all, in any way; it's only yours for you to use. Also, that you don't just have soul/s or spiritual features, but that you are in fact the soul/spirit.

I'm interested in what you have to say Kurd Jam. (Sorry I can't recall your name.)
 
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post Mar 14 2007, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 15 2007, 1:43 AM) *
Right, but what I'm talking about is that you aren't the body at all, in any way; it's only yours for you to use. Also, that you don't just have soul/s or spiritual features, but that you are in fact the soul/spirit.

I'm interested in what you have to say Kurd Jam. (Sorry I can't recall your name.)


No worries, the name's Jordi.

I was/am expecting on someone to bring the uniqueness of the individual into question.

If we agree that our bodies share the same "materials", and if as I said it's what we gather from our senses which makes us different from the rest; I was wondering if someone would ask what would happen if two persons with exact bodies were exposed to the same experiences.

Would the experiment create one individual but two bodies?
 
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post Mar 15 2007, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(Kurd Jam @ Mar 14 2007, 9:51 PM) *
No worries, the name's Jordi.

I was/am expecting on someone to bring the uniqueness of the individual into question.

If we agree that our bodies share the same "materials", and if as I said it's what we gather from our senses which makes us different from the rest; I was wondering if someone would ask what would happen if two persons with exact bodies were exposed to the same experiences.

Would the experiment create one individual but two bodies?


Wow. Profound. But in order for that to happen they would have to be raised in the same place at the same time, and all that great stuff. Cause if their backgrounds were even slightly off, then the chances are so small that this would occur. The slightest thing could trigger something in the brain that they would then think differently and the experiences would have different outcomes on the two individuals.

But it's a really cool concept to think about. Haha.
 

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Arjuna Capulong   You Are Not the Body   Mar 14 2007, 03:45 PM
Heath21   Well, since I'm a Christian I would fall into ...   Mar 14 2007, 03:48 PM
ermfermoo   I believe that we do not have souls in the traditi...   Mar 14 2007, 07:32 PM
Kurd Jam   Continuing from Sagan's quote, what should fol...   Mar 14 2007, 07:37 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 14 2007, 8:32 PM) I...   Mar 14 2007, 07:43 PM
Kurd Jam   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 15 2007, 1:43...   Mar 14 2007, 08:51 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Kurd Jam @ Mar 14 2007, 9:51 PM) No...   Mar 15 2007, 01:19 AM
Kurd Jam   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 15 2007, 7:19 AM) W...   Mar 15 2007, 04:39 PM
ermfermoo   I apologize for my vagueness. I meant that I belie...   Mar 14 2007, 07:52 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Yeah, there are many signs that we are not the gro...   Mar 14 2007, 08:02 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 14 2007, 4:45...   Mar 14 2007, 08:34 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 14 2007, 9:34 PM) W...   Mar 14 2007, 08:39 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 14 2007, 9:39...   Mar 14 2007, 08:44 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 14 2007, 9:44 PM) I...   Mar 14 2007, 08:54 PM
Obscure Enigma   i agree with the car statement you made in your fi...   Mar 14 2007, 08:45 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Well, is anybody going to come in and challenge th...   Mar 15 2007, 04:06 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 15 2007, 2:06...   Mar 15 2007, 04:10 PM
ermfermoo   For the sake of this topic, I'm going to switc...   Mar 15 2007, 04:35 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 15 2007, 2:35 PM) F...   Mar 15 2007, 04:38 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 15 2007, 5:35 PM) F...   Mar 15 2007, 05:07 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 15 2007, 5:35 PM) F...   Mar 15 2007, 06:04 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Mar 15 2007, 5:35 PM) F...   Mar 16 2007, 01:50 PM
ermfermoo   Exactly, my point was not that my idea is right, b...   Mar 15 2007, 08:47 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Ok, how about this. If we are not the bodies, but ...   Mar 18 2007, 11:11 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 18 2007, 12:1...   Mar 18 2007, 11:53 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 18 2007, 12:53 PM) ...   Mar 18 2007, 01:38 PM


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