Being black..., ...Is no excuse for failing. Options

[Kontroll]

Listen, I'm not racist. I'm just bringing up a topic that I know is on alot of people's minds.

Everynow and then I see these movies, or whatever...people saying that black people can't get anywhere in life because they are lazy, or because they are black they can't get anywhere in life.

I was sitting infront of Jeremy's house waiting for him to answer his friggin door. I was thinking about Albany(Where I live for the most part) and how it's just run down. Most of the people that live there are black.

I was thinking about how I see all this crap about how black people always say they might as well as just give up and deal with what they got. In movies, or even in real life. It pisses me off because the color of your skin does not affect your brain at all. It's an excuse and not a reason...

...if it was a reason then every black person would be in poverty. Is this not true? And you can't blame it on your environment because there have been many black people who have over come it. So, why do some black people just give up and don't try to succeed?

I know not only black people do it, but I'm just bringing this one up first. I'll talk about white people some other time just to be fair.

Input please. If this is in the wrong forum, just move it. Thank you.

[flaymzofice]

People know right from wrong and they can control there actions.

most of the stuff in life is not really about learning but common sense

I'm still not understanding where you think common sense comes from then, if you don't think it's taught/imparted/influenced. If a kid is born into a society where common sense is to walk around naked, then who's to say he's wrong? Do you get what I'm saying when I say common sense isn't innate but influenced by the society occupied?

[sweetangel2128]

I'm still not understanding where you think common sense comes from then, if you don't think it's taught/imparted/influenced. If a kid is born into a society where common sense is to walk around naked, then who's to say he's wrong? Do you get what I'm saying when I say common sense isn't innate but influenced by the society occupied?

I understand but I still don't believe that tv or video games or whatever media is the cause for there actions. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for teaching them wrong, not teaching them at all or allowing them to go into the wrong things.

[*I Shot JFK*]

I understand but I still don't believe that tv or video games or whatever media is the cause for there actions. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for teaching them wrong, not teaching them at all or allowing them to go into the wrong things.

The problem with that is saying that you dont believe it to be 'The' cause... well, no. but it may be 'A' cause. There is more than one factor for everything, and while people may not watch The Matrix aor whatever and think 'imm go shoot some people now,' it may affect them subconciously. I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

[sweetangel2128]

The problem with that is saying that you dont believe it to be 'The' cause... well, no. but it may be 'A' cause. There is more than one factor for everything, and while people may not watch The Matrix aor whatever and think 'imm go shoot some people now,' it may affect them subconciously. I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

Well, look at the Columbine Shooting, in case you haven't heard of it they also believed that something influenced him such as tv or a video game to do what he did but to me I think they were wanting to just feel sorry for him because he was only like 15 years old and he seemed like a perfect kid but they also realized that the way things happend, it had to of been planned for a long time and he should be tried as an adult. So basically what I'm trying to say is that just because the media say it's the cause of his actions or one of the causes doesn't necessarily mean it to be true. I believe that if your old enough to know better such as a 15 year old or 30 year old stuff like that doesn't influence you to act upon it. You have your own mind and people CAN think for themselves. Now, if you grew up living with people that taught you to be that way then okay I understand but were talking about video games/movies promoting violence in general. If the person grew up on violence then okay but still when they get older most of the time they tend to steer away from that because they do have there own lives and there own brains...such as the columbine shooting the boy came from a good home, very loving friends and seemed happy but he snapped..they believed after it was all over and done with that his influence to kill was because of being bullied at school.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Well, look at the Columbine Shooting, in case you haven't heard of it they also believed that something influenced him such as tv or a video game to do what he did but to me I think they were wanting to just feel sorry for him because he was only like 15 years old and he seemed like a perfect kid but they also realized that the way things happend, it had to of been planned for a long time and he should be tried as an adult. So basically what I'm trying to say is that just because the media say it's the cause of his actions or one of the causes doesn't necessarily mean it to be true. I believe that if your old enough to know better such as a 15 year old or 30 year old stuff like that doesn't influence you to act upon it. You have your own mind and people CAN think for themselves. Now, if you grew up living with people that taught you to be that way then okay I understand but were talking about video games/movies promoting violence in general. If the person grew up on violence then okay but still when they get older most of the time they tend to steer away from that because they do have there own lives and there own brains...such as the columbine shooting the boy came from a good home, very loving friends and seemed happy but he snapped..they believed after it was all over and done with that his influence to kill was because of being bullied at school.

That was a mother of a run-on sentence, and please use paragraphs, because that was really hard to read.

Why would the fact that it was planned for a long time in advance negate the influence which the media may have had? and what does that have to do with being tried as an adult?

Well, no, it isn't necessarily true BECAUSE the media said it, but has it occured to you that media may have said it because it was true? I mean, all of what your saying is basically that you don't THINK it's the case, which is just fine and dandy, but really isn't much use to anyone, because it doesn't have any sort of foundation, and is frankly refuted by looking at case studies; again I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

You're over simplifying to extremes. Obviously the media isn't going to be a THE primary infuence in every case, but in some cases, it IS a factor. I mean, if violence is something you're exposed to, via the media, in your home, playing video games, or what have you, then that makes an impact. Almost everything a person does shapes them in some way, mainly subliminally. It may not be a direct cause of something someone does, but it will have helped shape them into the person they ultimately became, and the person who committed whatever hypothetical crime.

[sweetangel2128]

That was a mother of a run-on sentence, and please use paragraphs, because that was really hard to read.

Well, no, it isn't necessarily true BECAUSE the media said it, but has it occured to you that media may have said it because it was true?

Sorry that it was so hard for you to read, I'll use paragraphs next time however I am not very good with that stuff lol.

Anyways....like I said when the shooting first happend, they believed a video game made him do it because they realized he was playing the game bofore the incident happend but when they sentenced him they realized from his meeting with a psyciatrist that in fact his reasoning was being bullied and he just cracked. Maybe in some cases the person is influenced by the video game or whatever but NOT always..other times it could be other reasons such as the columbine shooting being bulled or just being mentally screwed up in the head...some people dont have reasons for there actions...in the columbine shooting when they did an interview he said how sorry he was and started crying from what I heard when they asked why he did it he said - "i don't know" but when they asked if he was bullied in school he admitted to that.