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Being black..., ...Is no excuse for failing.
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post Jan 30 2007, 04:45 PM
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Listen, I'm not racist. I'm just bringing up a topic that I know is on alot of people's minds.

Everynow and then I see these movies, or whatever...people saying that black people can't get anywhere in life because they are lazy, or because they are black they can't get anywhere in life.

I was sitting infront of Jeremy's house waiting for him to answer his friggin door. I was thinking about Albany(Where I live for the most part) and how it's just run down. Most of the people that live there are black.

I was thinking about how I see all this crap about how black people always say they might as well as just give up and deal with what they got. In movies, or even in real life. It pisses me off because the color of your skin does not affect your brain at all. It's an excuse and not a reason...

...if it was a reason then every black person would be in poverty. Is this not true? And you can't blame it on your environment because there have been many black people who have over come it. So, why do some black people just give up and don't try to succeed?

I know not only black people do it, but I'm just bringing this one up first. I'll talk about white people some other time just to be fair.

Input please. If this is in the wrong forum, just move it. Thank you.
 
 
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post Jan 30 2007, 06:53 PM
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^ naturally otherwise where would such tellings find their source?

However, I think it's about more than just a label. It is society's nature to believe what we are told even though we are the ones generating the stories being fed to us by the media (kind of chicken and egg in that respect). And I believe it's more associated with education than genuine belief in one's ability to better one self. Where I live in London, we have one of the lowest pass rates for any kind of academic qualification (starting at high school level). Here, black, white, purple kids are all in the same boat - they are constantly being undermined by the education system, one which is not entirely willing to help them succeed. Kids require motivation, but if their teachers give up after only putting in 25%, why should the kid bother putting in anymore? And then the reasons for failing start kicking in and yes, I do agree to an extent that racial discrimation in the classroom will always factor into it, but that is just one of a number.

And then there's environment. Yes, there are those kids who get out of the 'ghetto', who make great success stories of themselves, but when all your friends are hanging out, chilling after school, not bothered by work and having a good time, what kid won't choose play over work? I coach tennis in an area even rougher than mine, and there was this one kid (yes, black), one of the most naturally gifted tennis players in that whole county and he knew, and they knew it. The club basically took him on as their own son - driving him to matches, giving him free coaching, paying his tournament fees, tennis clothing, feeding him, letting him stay over before a big game. He started when he was 9, not too late to have let the 'bad' influences creep in yet, and he was in this positive environment pretty much five hours a day, six days a week, for the next six years. Then one day, he just stopped going to training and now even his own aunt couldn't tell you where he was. He was given opportunities other kids in that area could only dream about but he threw it away. That's not a stereotype; that was him being unable to fight the way of life his non-tennis playing friends were immersed in.

The need to fit in overrides a great deal of ambition when you're a teenager, especially if the education you were provided with was insufficient to encourage you otherwise. And even then, even with support and belief in you, things don't always go right.

Stereotypes will always exist but yes, to an extent, they are an excuse for failure, though not always innocent of the fact.

P.s., as to people stereotyping themselves, well, yeah, I'll raise my hand to this. A lot of the time, stereotyping is meant as a form of reverse psychology. Unfortunately for me, I'm one of those on whom it provokes the exact opposite effect. If you tell me I can't do something, rather than spurring me on to prove you wrong (maybe it's a wire shortage in my brain but I just can't grasp where the satisfaction in this concept lies), it angers me so that I subscribe to your prescription and so I'll fail just to prove you right, and your subsequent failure to achieve the intention of the application of reverse psychology, will be my success (though obviously, only minor and superficial and largely, to my own detriment)
 

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JakeKKing   Being black...   Jan 30 2007, 04:45 PM
xMyStIcShAd0wSx   Stereotypes and racism. Black people are no diffe...   Jan 30 2007, 05:02 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(xMyStIcShAd0wSx @ Jan 30 2007, 5:02...   Jan 30 2007, 06:08 PM
xMyStIcShAd0wSx   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Jan 30 2007, 6:08 PM) I...   Jan 30 2007, 11:04 PM
Uronacid   *sigh* I don't know... I live in Schenectady ...   Jan 30 2007, 05:59 PM
mandilynne   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 30 2007, 5:59 PM) *s...   Feb 7 2007, 04:10 AM
flaymzofice   ^ naturally otherwise where would such tellings fi...   Jan 30 2007, 06:53 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(flaymzofice @ Jan 30 2007, 6:53 PM)...   Jan 31 2007, 01:45 AM
mango.peach   well, in a way, i definitely agree with you and in...   Jan 30 2007, 07:25 PM
Uronacid   As I'm reading this, an add for MaMa Lotion is...   Jan 30 2007, 09:53 PM
mishyerr   Well, OF COURSE black people don't fail becaus...   Jan 30 2007, 10:12 PM
BrandonSaunders   I'll take this as my cue to leave my rather br...   Jan 31 2007, 02:55 AM
flaymzofice   ^ agree. That's what I was getting at...less s...   Jan 31 2007, 06:18 AM
WHIMSICAL 0NE   I haven't thoroughly read everything throughou...   Jan 31 2007, 07:33 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   Well, it doesn't help that so many of these ig...   Jan 31 2007, 08:05 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jan 31 2...   Jan 31 2007, 08:16 PM
mishyerr   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jan 31 2...   Jan 31 2007, 08:17 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jan 31 2...   Jan 31 2007, 10:17 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jan 31 2007, 10:1...   Feb 1 2007, 12:24 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Jan 31 2007, 11:24 PM) ...   Feb 1 2007, 05:08 PM
krnxswat   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Feb 1 2007, 5:08 ...   Feb 7 2007, 09:56 AM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(krnxswat @ Feb 7 2007, 10:56 AM) Du...   Feb 7 2007, 10:34 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 7 20...   Feb 7 2007, 02:36 PM
KCreateBlog   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jan 31 2...   Feb 1 2007, 01:04 AM
turntabletux   why you hatin' on me son....kidding. I agree. ...   Jan 31 2007, 08:32 PM
flaymzofice   Despite the somewhat incoherent form of his argume...   Feb 1 2007, 12:38 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   Lets get something straight, okay. I'm not say...   Feb 1 2007, 02:55 PM
flaymzofice   ^ I think Brandon was simply referring to the curs...   Feb 1 2007, 03:12 PM
Heath21   Well, in my own opinion, I don't think movies ...   Feb 1 2007, 05:00 PM
flaymzofice   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 1 2007, 10:00 PM) Wel...   Feb 1 2007, 08:02 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(flaymzofice @ Feb 1 2007, 5:02 PM) ...   Feb 5 2007, 12:50 AM
black_heart   Well its all parents fault, if parents are not the...   Feb 4 2007, 09:45 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(black_heart @ Feb 4 2007, 9:45 PM) ...   Feb 5 2007, 02:15 AM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(black_heart @ Feb 4 2007, 10:45 PM)...   Feb 5 2007, 10:51 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 5 20...   Feb 6 2007, 07:27 PM
flaymzofice   Yes, parents play a big role in guiding a child do...   Feb 5 2007, 09:38 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(flaymzofice @ Feb 5 2007, 6:38 AM) ...   Feb 5 2007, 03:04 PM
black_heart   If you cant blame the parents then you cant blame ...   Feb 5 2007, 07:05 PM
flaymzofice   QUOTEPeople know right from wrong and they can con...   Feb 6 2007, 11:42 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(flaymzofice @ Feb 6 2007, 8:42 AM) ...   Feb 6 2007, 12:30 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 6 2007, 5:30 PM) I un...   Feb 7 2007, 07:03 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 4:03 AM) T...   Feb 7 2007, 02:44 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 7 2007, 7:44 PM) Well...   Feb 7 2007, 02:54 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 11:54 AM) ...   Feb 7 2007, 03:36 PM
black_heart   i agree with brandon =D.   Feb 6 2007, 08:16 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(mandilynne @ Feb 7 2007, 5:10 AM) w...   Feb 7 2007, 08:52 AM
I Shot JFK   Jeremy, please dont double post. Use the edit or m...   Feb 7 2007, 09:53 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 7 20...   Feb 7 2007, 02:39 PM
I Shot JFK   Seon Ho, Jeremy, cut it now. Josh, no need to comm...   Feb 7 2007, 02:43 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 3:43 PM) S...   Feb 7 2007, 03:03 PM
I Shot JFK   ^ You did not HAVE to say anything whatsoever, and...   Feb 7 2007, 03:06 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 4:06 PM) ^...   Feb 7 2007, 07:01 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 7 20...   Feb 7 2007, 07:11 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 8 20...   Feb 8 2007, 04:35 AM
magicfann   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 3:06 PM) ^...   Feb 19 2007, 02:30 PM
I Shot JFK   What on Earth are you talking about? Eric Harris a...   Feb 7 2007, 03:49 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 7 2007, 12:49 PM) ...   Feb 7 2007, 03:51 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 7 2007, 4:51 PM) Here...   Feb 7 2007, 04:21 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 7 2007, 1:21 PM) Yea...   Feb 7 2007, 04:26 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 7 2007, 4:26 PM) If y...   Feb 7 2007, 07:28 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 7 2007, 4:28 PM) I s...   Feb 7 2007, 07:58 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 7 2007, 8:51 PM) Here...   Feb 7 2007, 04:33 PM
Kurd Jam   Being black isn't an excuse for failing, since...   Feb 7 2007, 05:36 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 7 2007, 7:58 PM) I do...   Feb 7 2007, 11:01 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 7 2007, 8:01 PM) Rig...   Feb 8 2007, 01:55 AM
Intercourse.   Awe Suzzette, when it comes to the whatever c-pill...   Feb 7 2007, 11:12 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(Intercourse. @ Feb 8 2007, 12:12 AM...   Feb 8 2007, 06:16 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 8 20...   Feb 8 2007, 03:19 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Feb 8 20...   Feb 8 2007, 03:26 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Feb 8 2007, 12:26 PM) ...   Feb 8 2007, 08:57 PM
Podomaht   farted   Feb 8 2007, 12:25 AM
BrandonSaunders   If anyone actually buys into the notion that Black...   Feb 8 2007, 05:08 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Feb 8 2007, 5:08 ...   Feb 8 2007, 08:41 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 8 2007, 8:41 PM) Yea...   Feb 8 2007, 09:41 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Now, I haven't really gotten into this debate ...   Feb 8 2007, 05:14 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 8 2007, 9:57 PM) If m...   Feb 8 2007, 11:36 PM
Kurd Jam   If anything, contemporary capilatistic western soc...   Feb 8 2007, 08:50 PM
Kurd Jam   I don't think there's such a direct relati...   Feb 9 2007, 08:27 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Kurd Jam @ Feb 9 2007, 8:27 AM) I d...   Feb 9 2007, 10:27 AM
Kurd Jam   Gang related violence occured BEFORE the "gan...   Feb 9 2007, 06:03 PM
one_and_only   You really need to get out more. In America there...   Feb 19 2007, 11:43 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(one_and_only @ Feb 19 2007, 11:43 P...   Feb 22 2007, 04:30 AM


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