gay and christian, can it happen? Options

[Juris Khan]

can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be gay? can you be a gay person (and i am targeting specifically guys in this thread) and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul? Because the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line...but i know so many people who are christians and follow christ with all they are, but struggle so hard with their homosexual feelings....

let's hear it...

[phillerthekiller]

well lets see... where to start...
no one's mentioned romans 1 yet (tmk) so let me say that thats the best place I can think of to start your search for the answer

Rom 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Notice the "leaving the natural use of the women" seems God's opinion is that gays are made not born... I won't agree with the "everyone is born perfect" claim but still born gay seems like more of an excuse than a reality

Rom 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

here I think we can take reprobate to mean- depraved: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good

also if god has forsaken these people... then they are no longer christians... i believe...

Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

I know its talking about money but its still valid!
As I see it serving any kind of homosexual temptations is to serve the devil... and well you can't serve em' both

furthermore, if Christianity is so wishy washy that it is possible to continually sin and still be in god's favor.. or as some have suggested, go to heaven... then what a detestable and useless endeavor it all must be.

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

yeah thats the path of a "hardcore" christian ... or any believer for that matter...

most of you have been trained by modern society to TOLERATE... but leave this training out of your reasoning as to how a man can follow any sort of leader and betray his teachings at the same time..

[*mishyerr*]

well lets see... where to start...
no one's mentioned romans 1 yet (tmk) so let me say that thats the best place I can think of to start your search for the answer

Rom 1:27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Notice the "leaving the natural use of the women" seems God's opinion is that gays are made not born... I won't agree with the "everyone is born perfect" claim but still born gay seems like more of an excuse than a reality

Rom 1:28 "And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"

here I think we can take reprobate to mean- depraved: marked by immorality; deviating from what is considered right or proper or good

also if god has forsaken these people... then they are no longer christians... i believe...

Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

I know its talking about money but its still valid!
As I see it serving any kind of homosexual temptations is to serve the devil... and well you can't serve em' both

furthermore, if Christianity is so wishy washy that it is possible to continually sin and still be in god's favor.. or as some have suggested, go to heaven... then what a detestable and useless endeavor it all must be.

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

yeah thats the path of a "hardcore" christian ... or any believer for that matter...

most of you have been trained by modern society to TOLERATE... but leave this training out of your reasoning as to how a man can follow any sort of leader and betray his teachings at the same time..

hon, that's YOUR teachings.

not "his" or ours.

the original question is whether a gay person can be a christian.
well, can a sinner be a christian? damn right they can be. everyone here is a "sinner." just because someone is gay doesn't mean he has sinned any more than you have. the bible even says that stealing is the same as murdering (this might be out of "exact" context, sorry i didn't research into the book); both are sin. whenever you sin, you are serving the devil. you have "served" both many times.

[Kontroll]

hon, that's YOUR teachings.

not "his" or ours.

the original question is whether a gay person can be a christian.
well, can a sinner be a christian? damn right they can be. everyone here is a "sinner." just because someone is gay doesn't mean he has sinned any more than you have. the bible even says that stealing is the same as murdering (this might be out of "exact" context, sorry i didn't research into the book); both are sin. whenever you sin, you are serving the devil. you have "served" both many times.

True that stealing is a sin as much as murder, but some sins are untolerated by God. Such as HOMOSEXUALITY and blasphemy.

It's true that homosexuals can become Christians, but they can't live within that lifestyle anymore. They have to repent and walk away from that life style in order to become a Christian. I know it's not logical for a homosexual to not be able to become a Christian if he must give homosexuality up, or not be a Christian. But it's a moral stand point. You have to devote yourself 100 percent to God. Also, I'm not saying you must pray, worship and bow down to God every second of the day, I'm just saing that your life must follow what the Bible teaches. And it says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore if you were to be a homosexual and a Christian would be contradictory.

I know we are all wrong and sin, but that's the point. We're humans. We sin. It's impossible not to. We were born with it... Homosexuality is just a sexual preference, which I feel is brought upon by outward influences and experiences. That's just me.

You're suppost to interpret the Bible as you see it, but not take it wrongly. It says that you shouldn't listen to any other man and believing him without searching it for yourself. Now, homosexuality is not changable in the Bible. It's constant. It won't and can't change.

Being a homosexual and a Christian is living a double life. Like, Killer said...
Another verse comes to mind here.. namely Matthew 6:24
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other"

That's how I see it.