gay and christian, can it happen? Options

[Juris Khan]

can someone be christian, really christian, follow christ and everything, and be gay? can you be a gay person (and i am targeting specifically guys in this thread) and still follow christ with all your heart, mind, and soul? Because the bible says that sexual impurity is wrong...but...iunno, it's a line...but i know so many people who are christians and follow christ with all they are, but struggle so hard with their homosexual feelings....

let's hear it...

[tropicalchic]

You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

[Juris Khan]

You can't choose to be gay, some people are and can not help it.

If god made you gay, then why would your choice in relationships make them a sinner?

God doesnt make people gay. please dont take this wrong way, but to be gay would be an imperfection. and God does NOT make things imperfect. He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing, and especially people who have this conflict of faith, and because we are dealing with lucifer, who is the Tempter, who was God's highest angel, and who is very powerful, it can feel like it's not a choice, like you were born that way. but it is a choice. and God does say in both the old and new testaments that sexual immorality is wrong. homosexuality is specifically mentioned in the old testament story of Lot(i dont know the reference, sorry.) so, it is a choice. now, i am not saying that if you are gay, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but what i am saying is that when you stand before God, i should think that he would be disappointed. because even if you do not have gay sex, when you look at others of the same sex and fantasize about them, that is lust, and lust is a sin. in fact, jesus says that one who lusts has committed adultery in his/her heart(again, i dont know the reference, but i'm pretty sure it's in Matthew). So to sum up everything i said, God's creations are initially perfect; homosexuality is a sin; therefore it is a choice to be gay; i believe you will get into heaven if you are gay, including acting on it, although God may be disappointed in you. and i think that that pretty much covers it.

[*mishyerr*]

God doesnt make people gay. please dont take this wrong way, but to be gay would be an imperfection. and God does NOT make things imperfect. He is perfection and so everything he creates is initially perfect. so, to be gay would have to be a choice...because it is such a 'taboo' thing, and especially people who have this conflict of faith, and because we are dealing with lucifer, who is the Tempter, who was God's highest angel, and who is very powerful, it can feel like it's not a choice, like you were born that way. but it is a choice. and God does say in both the old and new testaments that sexual immorality is wrong. homosexuality is specifically mentioned in the old testament story of Lot(i dont know the reference, sorry.) so, it is a choice. now, i am not saying that if you are gay, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but what i am saying is that when you stand before God, i should think that he would be disappointed. because even if you do not have gay sex, when you look at others of the same sex and fantasize about them, that is lust, and lust is a sin. in fact, jesus says that one who lusts has committed adultery in his/her heart(again, i dont know the reference, but i'm pretty sure it's in Matthew). So to sum up everything i said, God's creations are initially perfect; homosexuality is a sin; therefore it is a choice to be gay; i believe you will get into heaven if you are gay, including acting on it, although God may be disappointed in you. and i think that that pretty much covers it.

a little off topic, but... wow, i feel some pity for you.



this is not a reply to the person above;

i was once sucked into that religious stuff...
i don't understand why people condemn homosexuals. it has already been proven that homosexuality exists in even animals (of course they are not "christian" b/c animals don't have souls and don't go to the place called "heaven")
it's kind of pathetic that researchers even LOOK to animals to check whether it's "okay to be gay!" or not. if you believe in Christianity or one of its branches, didn't God create animals for humans to tame,control,etc? does that mean, we as humans, did not properly "guide" the animals?
also there are studies on the brain showing some hormones about attraction or something (i'm not very clear about this, b/c i didn't research deeply into it) that are similar in women and gay men.

falalala. i feel sorry for all those gay guys who love god with all their hearts but would be gay bashed and slaughtered (exaggeration) if they ever revealed their "horrific, dirty, terrible, deserving to burn FOR ALL OF ETERITY! sin"

[Juris Khan]

a little off topic, but... wow, i feel some pity for you.
this is not a reply to the person above;

i was once sucked into that religious stuff...
i don't understand why people condemn homosexuals. it has already been proven that homosexuality exists in even animals (of course they are not "christian" b/c animals don't have souls and don't go to the place called "heaven")
it's kind of pathetic that researchers even LOOK to animals to check whether it's "okay to be gay!" or not. if you believe in Christianity or one of its branches, didn't God create animals for humans to tame,control,etc? does that mean, we as humans, did not properly "guide" the animals?
also there are studies on the brain showing some hormones about attraction or something (i'm not very clear about this, b/c i didn't research deeply into it) that are similar in women and gay men.

falalala. i feel sorry for all those gay guys who love god with all their hearts but would be gay bashed and slaughtered (exaggeration) if they ever revealed their "horrific, dirty, terrible, deserving to burn FOR ALL OF ETERITY! sin"

why do you feel sorry for me? and btw, i do not bash gays, nor do i condemn them. i just wanted to know others views because i have a friend going through the exact same thing. and the "i have a friend" is not a euphemism for "me"
i believe that gays can go to heaven, but it's just a very awkward topic, and i'm not sure if what i believe is right or not. sometimes hearing what others say just helps, you know?

oh, one last thing, how was what you quoted from me off topic. i'm not trying to be incredulous or sarcastic, i really dont see how its off topic so if you tell me, i can fix it.