Can you prove that the Bible is authentic? That there's truely no Contradictions, If there even 1 contradiction, the Bible is not authentic. Options

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Can you guys prove these contradictions to be false? Here's your challenge, prove to me and everyone else that the Bible is not false and misleading to the truth of God and his prophets.


Here's your big resource of Biblical contradictions:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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And I never said that it was authored by men but "people"...people did write the Bible and we have no clue in knowing whether or not the stories are real because those men are not here today to ask them.

Let me explain why I used the term "authored". Which writes a letter: the pen or the author ? Clearly, it's the author. The author uses the pen. In the same way, God used the men (or people, as you say) to "scribe" His Word. God authored the Word. This is the only way that the Bible can contain specific & fulfilled prophecies. No man can tell the future with as much certainty and as much conciseness as One outside of time -- specifically, only the One who calls Himself "the Alpha and Omega".

As for having no clue as to whether or not the stories are real: Read 2 Timothy 3:16. Because of all you've written, I have no alternative than to assume that you don't believe this verse either.

What do I believe about the Bible? Did I just read the stories? Like I stated above, I just recently found out about the contradictions and it is very rude for someone like you to assume that I only read the Bible for the interesting stories...just so freakin' rude.

Please forgive me for my choice of words. I certainly had no intention of being rude. I'm trying to put together all the things you've said in our past discussions. Specifically, you stated, "...right now I am wondering if I am a Christian because well I don't follow the Bible but I do read it a lot and love the education of it but I also live my life my way while I'm on earth." So, from this, I assumed that you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God; that you read it because you like the teaching (and stories) of it; and that you read it as the writing of men. Is this not true ?

Anways...before I knew of the contradictions I believed in all of the Bible that I have read and heard about until I found out about the contradictions and the fact that we are to not have premarital sex, saying gays are sinning and the fact that you are to not mix with an un-believer...3 things I feel strongly about.

If you believed the Bible before you were exposed to the "contradictions", what was your level of belief of John 3:3 ? Were you born again ?

In terms of your timeframe, though, did it happen that you first found out about the "contradictions" in Scripture and then your views of "premarital sex, saying gays are sinning and the fact that you are to not mix with an un-believer" changed ? Or did you already have issues with those teachings prior to hearing about the "contradictions" ?

I hope that you're comfortable answering these questions because it really is something I've wondered for a long time about those who struggle with the supposed contradictions in the Bible.

Ok as for the verses, I'll be gladly to show them to you or read them to you. Here ya go: (when your done reading them, look it up in the Bible to verify it, you will find it is there):

1. John 10:30 - "I and my Father are one."
2. John 14:28 - "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father; for my Father is greater than I".

I use the KJV, so I'm going to put the verses here so you can note any differences:

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Please read the following:
Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man"
Philippians 2:6-7 "Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
John 1:1,2,14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

I have a feeling that you might not understand the Biblical teaching of the Trinity. The whole concept of the Trinity is that God has 3 separate parts -- as we all do. We all have a body, an eternal spirit, and a will or mind. As it says in Genesis 1:26, we are made in His image. Why, if we're made in His image, would we not have the same attributes as Him ? Well, we do. He also has a Body, a Spirit, and a Will. Those 3 parts make up who you are. His 3 parts make Him who He is.

Just as Scripture speaks of a heirarchy: Parent to child; Husband to wife; Government to governed, the Bible speaks of the hierarchy that exists for the 3 parts that make up God. The Father (His Will) is above the Son (His Body) which is above the Spirit (His Spirit).
John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."

So, I believe the core of this is your understanding of the Trinity. Remember that Christianity only believes in ONE God, but that ONE God is made of 3 distinct and separate parts.

Yes, I know the word "trinity" is nowhere in the Bible, but this is a word that has been used to describe the teaching the Bible. If you'd like to discuss this topic to a further degree, I'd be happy to. Feel free to PM me if you prefer.

3. Isaiah 14:21 - "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
4. Deutromy 24:16 - "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Isaiah 14:21 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities."
Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

The reason this isn't a contradiction is that the verse in Isaiah 14 is talking of the judgment of a nation. That whole nation had become so corrupt that God's determination is to slaughter that whole nation. Look at the example of Ninevah (where Jonah was sent). In His Mercy, God sent a Jewish prophet to a Gentile nation that was in jeopardy of national judgment. The message sent to them was REPENT or be judged. They repented. This is what God wants of all people -- to repent and to look to & follow Him. Look, also, to the example of Sodom and Gomorrah. Judgment didn't fall on those cities until after the one righteous family was removed. After that, though, those places were judged.

The Deuteronomy 24 verse (as well as what it says in Ezekiel 18) talks of God's judgment on individuals. The nation in which the individuals live has not become absolutely corrupt, so God allows each individual to choose whether or not repent and follow Him.

This is no contradiction. In fact, it shows God's righteousness in judging people as individuals as well as judging a nation that has completely rejected Him.

5. Numbers 12:3 - (the one I found for this one was a really off but when I looked it up it says that Moses was a humble man but in another verse it talks of him killing).
6. Numbers 31:14, 17, 18.

Numbers 12:3 "(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)"
Numbers 31:14, 17, 18 "And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him... But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

What does "meek" mean ? Did you think it meant "weak" ? The Biblical use of the word "meek" shows that it is strength under control.

Jesus called Himself "meek" (Matthew 11:29). Was He weak ? He allowed Himself to be scourged and crucified without trying to get away from it. He even prayed that if there was another way than the cross, to let that "cup pass from Him". He knew what was coming yet He endured it (Hebrews 12:2). Does that sound weak to you ? Not at all -- that's strength under complete control. Fact is that His Sacrifice was written in over abundance around 700 years prior to the event -- read Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12.

He knew that it was only through His Sacrifice that people could be cleansed from their sins.

7. Acts 1:18 - "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
8. Matthew 27:5-7 - "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Acts 1:18 "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
Matthew 27:5-7 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in."

Why would it be difficult to consider that after he fulfilled Zechariah 11:12-13 (written about 500 years before Messiah was born), Judas went to hang himself and fell from a height from which "he burst asunder".

Wouldn't you be able to read in the newspaper the description of someone in a car accident that died instantly upon impact with the steering column and that their abdomen ruptured such that they "burst asunder" ? If someone were to describe this person's death and said that they died due to the impact with the steering column and someone else said that the person's abdomen ruptured open, how is there a contradiction ?

Heres a few to think about and my views on the verses (sorry if they are not EXACTLY worded right but if you read them in the Bible closley it means the EXACT same thing):

1/2. I believe this one is contradicting because one he's saying that he and the Father are one but in a different section it says the Father is greater than he....so how can he be both and what exactly is he?

Again, it sounds like you haven't understood the Trinity properly.

3/4. Basically, this one is contradicting because it's saying that he will not kill anyone accept the people that brought on the sin int he first place, but not he son and daughters but yet he says in a different verses that the sons and daughters will be killed for sinning but the parents of the sinners will not. ?????

Again, national judgment versus individual.

5/6. Just like I stated, it says in one verse that Moses was a very humble man but later on in a different verse it talks of his anger and how he killed people.

Humble men can still have righteous anger. Just look at Jesus as He drove out the money changers in the Temple.
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7/8. It talks of 2 different ways that he died..so which is it? Hanging or his instestines/guts bursting out? It surely can't be both.
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Remember that neither Matthew 27:5-7 nor Acts 1:18 specify whether Judas died by hanging or died by the fall. He could've died hanging and fell already dead or he could've screwed up once again and merely tried to hang himself but it was the fall that killed him. The Bible doesn't specifically say that he died hanging in one verse and that he died from being burst asunder in another verse. That would be a contradiction. There is no contradiction.
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Go ahead and try to argue these points but I guarentee you wont succeed because I looked these up in MY Bible and it says pretty much the same exact thing so the Bible is contradicting.
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I completely understand. When you go to those verses for yourself and see the apparent contradiction in JUST READING THOSE VERSES, it does look like the Bible contradicts itself. Someone could easily look to my past postings here and pick out excerpts of what I've said and say, "Look at the contradictions in what ScottD's saying !! In one place, he says that men wrote the Bible and in another place he says that God wrote the Bible. Well, which is it !!?? That's a contradiction." Thankfully, that did happen and it reminded me to be more specific when writing things down. Men penned the Bible. God authored the Bible. No contradiction.


I would like to know, though -- since you say that "...I've been or was a Christian for almost 2 years..." -- did you even go to your pastor or a more mature Christian in order to discuss the "contradictions" that were exposed to you ? Or did you simply take a list of "contradictions" by people who are not Christians and use that as your justification to say that the Bible is not the Word of God ?

Note that, as with the above "contradictions", we can discuss ad nauseam many, many more. Please consider again that these supposed contradictions are written by people who already reject Christ and the Bible as the Word of God. Find a more mature Believer to help you through your concerns. Don't just take one side of an argument without taking the time to investigate further -- that goes both way, of course.

I have to end this post with the reminder that for each "contradiction", there is a response. If it is God's Word, then there is no contradiction. If it is God's Word, then it states very clearly how to avoid the judgment of wrath to come. You must repent and you must be born again. That's the only way.

Please consider your eternal destiny. The Bible only speaks of two eternal destinations.