Satanisim, Whats your opinion Options

[I_LiKe_PiRaTeZ]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

[sweetangel2128]

I think it's evil and wrong but hey it's your choice, whatever makes you happy.

Satanism in my opinion is a RELIGION because a religion is basically a belief.

For the last time, Satanists dont worship Satan
Next time, read the posts. This has been established many times so far.

Oh really? Well I looked up the word Satanism which is the same as a Satanist, a Satanist is a person who believes in Satanism heres the definition of Satanism:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[seyt-n-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

[elaboratedream]

I think it's evil and wrong but hey it's your choice, whatever makes you happy.

Satanism in my opinion is a RELIGION because a religion is basically a belief.

Well I looked up the word Satanism which is the same as a Satanist, a Satanist is a person who believes in Satanism heres the definition of Satanism:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[seyt-n-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

If you knew shit about MODERN DAY Satanism, you'd know that it no longer has anything to do with that.
for one to worship or believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being, one would actually be involved with a perverse form of Christianity.

In modern day satanism, "satan" is more of a metaphor.
The Nine Satanic Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

[sweetangel2128]

If you knew shit about MODERN DAY Satanism, you'd know that it no longer has anything to do with that.
for one to worship or believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being, one would actually be involved with a perverse form of Christianity.

In modern day satanism, "satan" is more of a metaphor.
The Nine Satanic Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

First of all, I didn't know cussing was aloud on the forums. In my OPINION satanism is and will always be exactly what I said...I don't care what you think, I know the definition and no matter what time period it is, it will ALWAYS mean the same exact thing...I think the only reason you say modern day is because most people choose to believe in what Satanism really means, but we already know the "true" meaning....and I have no idea where you got all your info 1-9..most of it I find extremely funny.

Like I said dude, you have your own beliefs, I have mine

[elaboratedream]

First of all, I didn't know cussing was aloud on the forums. In my OPINION satanism is and will always be exactly what I said...I don't care what you think, I know the definition and no matter what time period it is, it will ALWAYS mean the same exact thing...

That's like saying "In my opinion, Christianity is really about worshipping airplanes"
Its not an opinion. It's fact. Satanism is not about worshipping the christian Satan.

and I have no idea where you got all your info 1-9..most of it I find extremely funny.

I got my "info 1-9" from the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, founder of modern day satanism. I'm pretty sure that counts as a creditable source.

..I think the only reason you say modern day is because most people choose to believe in what Satanism really means, but we already know the "true" meaning....

I didn't quite understand that setence, but I'll reply to what I got out of it.
I say "modern day Satanism" because The Church of Satan was established recently. (on April 30, 1966.) and I wouldn't want it to be confused with any other form of "satanism" that existed prior to that date.

[sweetangel2128]

That's like saying "In my opinion, Christianity is really about worshipping airplanes"
Its not an opinion. It's fact. Satanism is not about worshipping the christian Satan.
I got my "info 1-9" from the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, founder of modern day satanism. I'm pretty sure that counts as a creditable source.
I didn't quite understand that setence, but I'll reply to what I got out of it.
I say "modern day Satanism" because The Church of Satan was established recently. (on April 30, 1966.) and I wouldn't want it to be confused with any other form of "satanism" that existed prior to that date.

Exactly, it's your opinion..I got mine you've got yours.

You say it's not the same Satan...well that really doesn't make any sense because there is ONLY one Satan and ONLY one God, there is God that created everything and then theres Satan that tries to destroy everything and everyone. But like I said, I understand it's your beliefs and I respect that. But when I think of Satan and Satanism, I think bad things but like I said that's my own opinion and I am not going to sit here and judge you for thinking any differently on the matter, if you want to believe in all that stuff, I don't care, it's your life not mine.

[elaboratedream]

Exactly, it's your opinion..I got mine you've got yours.

You say it's not the same Satan...well that really doesn't make any sense because there is ONLY one Satan and ONLY one God, there is God that created everything and then theres Satan that tries to destroy everything and everyone. But like I said, I understand it's your beliefs and I respect that. But when I think of Satan and Satanism, I think bad things but like I said that's my own opinion and I am not going to sit here and judge you for thinking any differently on the matter, if you want to believe in all that stuff, I don't care, it's your life not mine.

It's not about opinion. I dont care if you believe in the teachings of Satanism, I'm just stating facts. Modern day Satanism in no way recognizes Satan as an antropormorphic being. That's all I'm saying.

You can't have an opinion about that part. Like I said earlier, that would be like saying that in your opinion, Christianity recognizes the great Fed Ex Airplane as creator of all and thus worships it.

I recognize that you can have an opinion about whether or not the religion is right, and you're free to do so. I dont particularly care whether you believe in any of it.

I'm just trying to educate you a bit by telling you what the religion really is. I'm only stating facts. those facts are not subject to debate. There is no question as to what the church teaches, it is written very clearly. Whether or not the teachings are right is an entirely different question, and you may have whatever opinion you like on that matter.

[sweetangel2128]

It's not about opinion. I dont care if you believe in the teachings of Satanism, I'm just stating facts. Modern day Satanism in no way recognizes Satan as an antropormorphic being. That's all I'm saying.

You can't have an opinion about that part. Like I said earlier, that would be like saying that in your opinion, Christianity recognizes the great Fed Ex Airplane as creator of all and thus worships it.

I recognize that you can have an opinion about whether or not the religion is right, and you're free to do so. I dont particularly care whether you believe in any of it.

I'm just trying to educate you a bit by telling you what the religion really is. I'm only stating facts. those facts are not subject to debate. There is no question as to what the church teaches, it is written very clearly. Whether or not the teachings are right is an entirely different question, and you may have whatever opinion you like on that matter.

You have your beliefs, I have mine

[elaboratedream]

You have your beliefs, I have mine

Its fine that you have your own beliefs, I dont care. I'm just saying that there are certain things that are facts.
It is fact that Satanists do not worship the Christian Satan.
That's not something that can be debated.
and if you really think that it can be debated, justify your answer. give me facts to support it. This is a debate, and thats what you do in debates. You give facts to support your statements.
I've given you the facts to support my statements. I quoted Anton Szander LaVey, the most reliable source on the subject seeing as he created the religion.
if you really think you can prove me wrong, go ahead. if not, shut the f**k up cuz you dont know what you're talking about.

[sweetangel2128]

Its fine that you have your own beliefs, I dont care. I'm just saying that there are certain things that are facts.
It is fact that Satanists do not worship the Christian Satan.
That's not something that can be debated.
and if you really think that it can be debated, justify your answer. give me facts to support it. This is a debate, and thats what you do in debates. You give facts to support your statements.
I've given you the facts to support my statements. I quoted Anton Szander LaVey, the most reliable source on the subject seeing as he created the religion.
if you really think you can prove me wrong, go ahead. if not, shut the f**k up cuz you dont know what you're talking about.

Read the rules hun! Don't disrespect another memeber

[elaboratedream]

Read the rules hun! Don't disrespect another memeber

okay, i apologize, Heather.
however, I would like you to pay attention to the rules of debate, and back up your statements with FACTS

[sweetangel2128]

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okay, i apologize, Heather.
however, I would like you to pay attention to the rules of debate, and back up your statements with FACTS

Apology accepted.

The only proof I have is the fact that the Dictonary tells of what it means. When did this guy create the religion? When was it written in the dictionary? I know, Satanism and Satanists have been around for a VERY VERY long time.

Give me proof of your facts? You can't say that this guy is your proof since the religion has been around for a VERY long time and just because this guy created it doesn't mean anything, anyone can create a religion...I mean hell theres the flying spagetti monster...like I said that's a religion also in case you didn't know, so just because it's a religion and it says it's real doesn't mean it's real and all facts.

[elaboratedream]

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The only proof I have is the fact that the Dictonary tells of what it means. When did this guy create the religion? When was it written in the dictionary? I know, Satanism and Satanists have been around for a VERY VERY long time.

Give me proof of your facts? You can't say that this guy is your proof since the religion has been around for a VERY long time and just because this guy created it doesn't mean anything, anyone can create a religion...I mean hell theres the flying spagetti monster...like I said that's a religion also in case you didn't know,

As I stated earlier, Anton Szander LaVey founded The Church of Satan on April 30, 1966.
Throughout this debate, I have been referring to "modern day satanism" and by that, I mean the form of Satanism founded by LaVey. This entire topic is referring to that form of Satanism.

so just because it's a religion and it says it's real doesn't mean it's real and all facts.

I'm not saying that the teachings are true. I dont care what you believe on that matter. I'm just telling you what the teachings are.