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May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
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A good friend of mine and I recently got into a heated debate about evangelism. We're both Christians, but we have very different ideas about evangelism. When my friend started getting really involved in church a few years ago, he also became a rampant evangelist. He believes that by bringing more people into the church he is not only saving them from eternal damnation, but also doing his duty as a Christian. He has often quoted Charles Spurgeon, saying "Every Christian is either a missionary or an imposter," essentially stating that you can't truly be Christian without evangelizing non believers.
I, however, don't like the idea of evangelism at all. Although I'm a devout Catholic, I dislike the idea of evangelism because I don't believe that anybody, myself included, has the right to force his or her beliefs on someone else. I think that everybody has a right to be whatever the religion they choose. Perhaps it's because I have a different idea about God than other people. I don't think that God sends honestly good people to Hell just because they don't believe in him. There are such things as Christian people who are hypocritical, paying lip service to God at church on Sundays, and still go about causing harm to other people. In my opinion, these people are less deserving of heaven than the good-hearted people whose only "fault" is that they don't believe in God. I think that my duty as a Christian is to be a good person and have a positive impact on the world, which doesn't necessarily mean that I HAVE to be an evangelist. I'd just like to know what everyone else's opinion is on this, not merely from a Christian standpoint, but from another religion's or atheist's perspective as well. Do you approve of evangelism? Are you an evangelist? Do you think that evangelism is a necessary requirement for all good Christians? |
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Jan 17 2007, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE From Angelina Taylor: Please, don't pray for me. I really, really hate it when people say that to me. Don't waste your time - there's nobody in the clouds. I guess I should thank you for giving me a clear conscience. I will not pray for you, then. I will grieve, though. QUOTE From sadolakced acid: Well, do you agree that an athiest such as myself may edit and create his own version of the bible, twisting the phrases? You most definitely can. Why bother, though ? There are plenty of people who call themselves "Christians" who do basically the same thing. Instead of editing and creating their own versions, they simply take verses out of context, ignore other verses, and then twist them completely. Might as well not reinvent the wheel and just use some of their material. QUOTE From sadolakced acid: and because we don't know which one is wrong, we must suspect it all, and cannot accept any of the bible as 100% true. No, not at all. The Bible is an integrated message. First, if you contort a verse, other verses will show that something's wrong. Second, we still have the original Hebrew and Greek that we can go back to in order to see if the translation/version is correct. QUOTE From sadolakced acid: therefore, no, i wouldn't agree that evangalism is a good thing. I can completely understand. If you don't believe in a thing called "absolute truth", then why would you ever believe someone coming to you and saying, "This is THE truth." The truth is that one day, we'll all step off this Earth and into eternity. That's truth. Even Benjamin Franklin recognized that: "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." He was right. He died. Actually, he lived until the age of 84 in 1790. He's been dead for over 210 years -- a LOT longer than he was alive. This is reality. You'll be dead a LOT longer than you'll ever be alive. Please put serious thought into where you're going to spend eternity. QUOTE From sadolakced acid: the things you never talk about with friends are religion and politics, and there's a reason for it. Actually, those are the things YOU, specifically, never talk about with friends. But, consider this: Your friend has a blindfold and headphones on such that they can neither see nor hear anything. They're walking straight toward a 150 foot cliff. Wouldn't you run as fast as you could to hold them back if not tackle them in order to save them from the fall to come ? In fact, if you don't do that, you're not really a friend at all -- are you ? If you actually knew something was true, you'd do everything you could to try to inform people of the truth you know. On the other hand though, if your convictions are so weak about something, why bother sharing with people the fact that you really don't have a strong stance on something ? Remember the old saying: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." QUOTE From sadolakced acid: we agree that there are multiple religions, and we agree that until we die, we cannot know for sure which one is correct (and don't say you know, i'm talking about humanity as a whole). I agree completely. There are many, many religions. Unfortunately, after you die it's too late. This is why a Biblical evangelist makes every effort to share the message of how to be sure of your eternal destiny. It is out of a concern for your eternity. You can despise this person for caring enough to share -- that's certainly your choice. Think about this: If some one came up to you and gave you 1000 invitations to a party, everyone who attends the party gets a million dollars, a car of their choice & a trip around the world. Wouldn't you give that invitation to every friend & family member you have ? If you didn't have 1000 friends or family members, you'd even give the invitation to complete strangers in order to share with them something that was given freely to you ! This is how a Biblical evangelist looks at it. We've been freely given something that we don't deserve and we're given an endless supply of tickets that we get to pass out. Bottom line is that you've got to ask yourself something: Why would the God that gives you breath and a beating heart each day accept you when you reject Him each one of those days He provides ? QUOTE From sadolakced acid: Therefore, until we know which one is correct we should abstain from attempting tp introduce religion to people. You can believe in evangalism all you want, but if you try to convert me, i won't talk to you. It's simple as that. Again, I can understand that. I wasn't raised in the way that I think today. In no way did my Jewish background have room for any concept that the Jewish Messiah had already come. I never shared Judaism with anyone because I figured it was a personal choice. Truly, it was because there was nothing redeeming about Judaism that compelled me to share it with me -- simply put because it offered to answers. Why would I share with anyone the fact that what I believe provides no answers ? Please put serious thought into the fact that (no matter how old you are) you can do nothing at all to guarantee tomorrow. You have no power at all to control that. You can't even control your next heartbeat. Life is fragile. Eternity is a very long time. |
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yummy_delight Evangelism May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
kryogenix QUOTEdon't think that God sends honestly good ... May 31 2006, 02:37 PM
sadolakced acid i would think, in all logic, they would be more un... Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
ermfermoo They bother me. A lot.
Why, you ask? Because they... Jun 5 2006, 04:16 PM
×__Fcuk. Umm..no offence to anyone here, but I think Evange... Jun 7 2006, 12:59 PM
ermfermoo QUOTE(×__Fcuk. @ Jun 7 2006, 1:59 PM) My ... Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM
×__Fcuk. QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM) I... Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
L!ckitySplit dont listen to franki ariel, she's INSANE.
yo... Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
marzipan QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P... Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
n00b well I don't think you should be forced into a... Jun 7 2006, 10:18 PM
StanleyThePanda Forcing your religion on them isnt cool, no.
But I... Jun 7 2006, 10:23 PM
fifthing I fully agree with your stance on the matter. I pr... Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
Shulace I recently took a class on apologetics, learning h... Jun 8 2006, 12:15 AM
×__Fcuk. ^ Bravo. =) Jun 8 2006, 12:16 AM
sadolakced acid only one person can make me do that, and he is god... Jun 8 2006, 04:29 AM
happykmd Ahh I really dont like Evangelists. But ironically... Jul 29 2006, 12:14 AM
rorhinna I would like to just define something. I have been... Aug 10 2006, 12:34 AM
zebzie Its called faith WITH works. If you believe in God... Aug 10 2006, 01:38 AM
ktsou11 As Christians, we're called upon by God's ... Aug 11 2006, 07:33 PM
JakeKKing QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P... Aug 13 2006, 05:27 PM
SilverNoOne Evangelism is being just as open about talking abo... Aug 16 2006, 10:04 PM
chasingvictory well to me Evangelism isn't, "forcing his... Aug 17 2006, 01:00 PM
thanhmai I believe that people should have the free will to... Aug 18 2006, 11:19 AM
sadolakced acid hello my name is justin and i'd like to ... Aug 19 2006, 05:51 PM
thanhmai QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 3:51... Aug 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Angelina Taylor QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 6:51... Aug 20 2006, 04:05 PM
SilverNoOne QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Aug 20 2006, 4:05... Aug 20 2006, 08:09 PM
Brittany Rachelle once these people came to my friends door and scar... Aug 20 2006, 01:32 AM
ScottD Is there anyone listed here that would have to sto... Nov 22 2006, 08:19 AM
happykmd ^ Nice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean so... Nov 27 2006, 05:24 PM
sadolakced acid The worst kind of people are those who are falsely... Nov 28 2006, 01:06 AM
ScottD QUOTENice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean... Nov 28 2006, 02:16 PM
happykmd QUOTEI'm glad you're honest enough to reco... Dec 4 2006, 08:06 PM
icy_wonderland QUOTE(ScottD @ Nov 29 2006, 3:16 AM) I na... Dec 5 2006, 07:45 AM
sadolakced acid now i have a question for you. how do you know, t... Nov 29 2006, 02:25 AM
splitnightsky don't judge me for judging you.
cuz then we g... Nov 29 2006, 07:44 AM
ScottD QUOTEnow i have a question for you. how do you kno... Nov 29 2006, 10:23 AM
splitnightsky to answer you without quoting (geez that was long)... Nov 29 2006, 02:27 PM
ScottD Yeah, sorry. I get verbose. I hope you do get th... Nov 29 2006, 03:33 PM
splitnightsky I really don't feel like discussing this anymo... Nov 29 2006, 05:16 PM
ScottD For anyone else reading this thead, please don... Dec 1 2006, 03:39 PM
sadolakced acid I'm sorry, but i don't trust the bible. I... Dec 2 2006, 02:36 AM
Spirited Away Have you turn to deism, Justin? Dec 2 2006, 10:28 AM
sadolakced acid no, but i'm arguing one's point of view fo... Dec 3 2006, 01:52 PM
insomniac scottd, are you by chance a messianic jew? your ic... Dec 3 2006, 10:57 PM
ScottD sadolakced acid:
If you want to follow God, but do... Dec 4 2006, 08:57 AM
insomniac QUOTEWhen you say that you sat through all the lec... Dec 4 2006, 06:30 PM
happykmd ^ Yeah. How can you believe in Christ, and not be ... Dec 4 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD QUOTEBut the faith itself, there is one God, and h... Dec 5 2006, 07:30 AM
happykmd QUOTEI very much appreciate you both bringing out ... Dec 5 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD Good morning, icy_wonderland.
If you believe it... Dec 5 2006, 08:00 AM
icy_wonderland I don't have to be Christian to care about oth... Dec 5 2006, 08:05 AM
ScottD Your point is very well made. In no way would I e... Dec 5 2006, 08:53 AM
Acid Bath Slayer QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:00 AM) Since... Dec 5 2006, 06:22 PM
happykmd QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Dec 5 2006, 6:22... Dec 5 2006, 07:18 PM
ScottD I can only assume that since you mention "the... Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM
Acid Bath Slayer [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 5 2006,... Dec 5 2006, 08:44 PM
Angelina Taylor QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:30 PM) As fo... Dec 23 2006, 11:39 AM
ScottD QUOTEOk, but if you knew in advance that someone w... Dec 5 2006, 08:47 PM
Spirited Away This is relevant to the original discussion, how o... Dec 5 2006, 11:19 PM
ScottD Acid Bath Slayer
How many grains of sand make up a... Dec 6 2006, 07:15 AM
Acid Bath Slayer QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Acid ... Dec 6 2006, 06:21 PM
happykmd QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 7:15 AM) Acid ... Dec 6 2006, 07:50 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Spiri... Dec 6 2006, 08:40 PM
happykmd QUOTEIf God sees me as badly as you have said (bla... Dec 6 2006, 08:48 PM
ScottD Acid Bath Slayer, you had mentioned earlier that t... Dec 7 2006, 08:25 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) But, ... Dec 7 2006, 04:53 PM
Acid Bath Slayer QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) Acid ... Dec 12 2006, 12:22 AM
ScottD QUOTENote that reasons do not excuse, they simply ... Dec 8 2006, 08:40 AM
insomniac ahh, i missed a page. i'll try to catch up as ... Dec 8 2006, 07:45 PM
ScottD Good morning, insomniac.
In no way did I mean to ... Dec 9 2006, 08:36 AM
Spirited Away Yes! Haha, they will get burned and they will ... Dec 9 2006, 05:12 PM
ScottD QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th... Dec 11 2006, 06:55 PM
happykmd QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th... Dec 11 2006, 07:01 PM
Spirited Away I edited my post to keep it all in one place for e... Dec 19 2006, 01:05 AM
happykmd ^ Eeeeep. All but two kids out of 23 failed the En... Dec 20 2006, 09:54 AM
happykmd ^ I agree. People try to throw bible verses and ot... Dec 26 2006, 12:32 AM
ScottD Spirited Away,
I hope I haven't broken any r... Dec 28 2006, 10:10 AM
ScottD Angelina Taylor,
As strongly as you clearly do no... Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM
Angelina Taylor QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM) Ang... Dec 28 2006, 07:46 PM
ScottD QUOTESeriously? You're actually serious?
With... Dec 29 2006, 03:47 PM
ursedonah QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 29 2006, 3:47 PM) If w... Dec 29 2006, 05:02 PM
Angelina Taylor [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 29 2006... Dec 29 2006, 05:16 PM
Obscure Enigma I think evangelism is fine, in a sence that you in... Dec 30 2006, 09:55 AM
ScottD I apologize for my long response here. ursedonah ... Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM
Angelina Taylor QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) Isai... Jan 3 2007, 01:50 PM
ursedonah QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) I ap... Jan 3 2007, 05:37 PM
ScottD Quick question on replying: Are there a limited n... Jan 10 2007, 01:16 PM
Angelina Taylor I will just say one thing and I'll rest my cas... Jan 10 2007, 02:56 PM
I Shot JFK QUOTEConsider a little boy who is looking at a hea... Jan 10 2007, 06:34 PM
sadolakced acid ScottD, i don't have time to read through all ... Jan 10 2007, 08:26 PM
ScottD QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor:
I will just say one thi... Jan 11 2007, 07:06 AM
Angelina Taylor Intelligent Design vs. Evolution? HAHAHAHA, okay. ... Jan 11 2007, 07:27 AM
sadolakced acid Well, do you agree that an athiest such as myself ... Jan 12 2007, 11:21 PM
sadolakced acid well, i'll tell you what i believe.
i believe... Jan 18 2007, 02:12 AM
silly ol' man ^ Respect? Yeah, you're a model of respect -- ... Jan 18 2007, 02:21 AM
sadolakced acid of course, and if you'd paid a shit of attenti... Jan 18 2007, 02:39 AM
silly ol' man QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 18 2007, 1:39... Jan 18 2007, 06:51 PM
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