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The hiring system on this site..., *sigh*
*Uronacid*
post Jan 11 2007, 01:21 PM
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Alright, first off I'm not bitter about not being hired (even though no-one has been chosen... I'm pretty sure I won't be.). That is not why I'm posting this. I'm posting this so that hopefully, in the future, you guys (the staff) can learn how to avoid all the drama created by your current hiring process. Let's look at the current hiring process:


The CB Hiring Process


On CB we have "Hiring Sessions" this is how they work:

1. CB asks it's members to submit their applications via a public thread, so that all members can view the applications. Members read the applications, and then form biased opinions based upon their current relationship with each member.

2. CB then asks it's members (who do not make any decisions when it comes to the hiring process) to take part in a debate that's in the Lounge, were members inevitably end up bashing each other while trying to defend their reasons for a position on staff. A thread where people place words in others mouths and critique grammar/spelling, in a frantic effort to stomp on the heads of their competitors and gain "popularity" so that they have a better chance of being noticed by the "holy" staff. A passive-aggressive race where people try to act "polite" in an attempt make others look bad. This is a place where personal grudges create biased reviews, and the number of friends you have to back you up will effect how "right" or wrong you really are.

3. CB does this because they believe it will make the hiring process easier for them. Is it a "cream will rise to the top" theory, or is this Darwin's Theory - "survival of the fittest"?


Bad or Good?


Have you ever seen a company's staff post all their applicant's applications on a billboard in front of the company building for all to see, ask for all the applicants to debate and argue with each other over who should get the position, and then sit back and watch as people fight? Let me answer that for you. No, no you haven't, and the only place you will ever see people openly competing for a position like this is on "REALITY TV" shows like the apprentice (which as we all know, isn't very realistic).

There is a reason why real companies/organizations/groups/most websites(excluding CB) don't have hiring sessions like this. It's unfair to the applicants and it makes it more difficult to judge who should and shouldn't get hired.

It's unfair to the applicants. They get to have their applications torn to shreds by people with biased opinions of them. I'll even admit that I do it to. Why not, everyone else does it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT!! WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO DO IT!!

It's unfair to the Staff. It makes it more difficult for them to make a decision on who is going to get hired. With everyone yelling and screaming at each other, it becomes increasingly difficult for members of staff to decide who's good and who's bad for the position. All of our opinions of each other effect what they think of us. Eventually, a hiring session becomes a popularity contest when it shouldn't be.


Some Q and A



Q: Is CB a democracy?
A: No, for those of you who don't know, they pick and choose who will be hired back stage!

Q: Does it really matter what the members think?
A: Somewhat, a Staff member does need a good understanding of the community and its members, but considering majority of the posts made on this website are done by about 10-15 of it's members... what matters is that we do our jobs when one of us is hired on staff. If someone does a bad job, they can always fire them and hire a new staff member. There are unlimited members of this community just waiting to fill limited staff positions. Has CB ever heard of whats called a PROBATIONARY PERIOD? I guess not, I'll explain...

Probationary Period: Part of the selection process during which an employee new to a position is required to demonstrate fitness for the position by actual performance of the position's duties. Usually during the first couple of weeks that an employee is hired.

Q: Can't we just avoid all of this drama?
A: Yes, we can. We can avoid it, and make CB a more enjoyable environment for all!


HOW CAN WE AVOID THIS SHIT?!


- Applications should be submitted via PM.

- There shouldn't be "hiring sessions". You should be able to submit your application to an administrator at any time, they should store those applications in the back, and hire people when they need them. This would be much easier for the Staff, and there would be a lot less drama on the site.

- They should make a topic with a title like "How to become an CB Staff Member" that lists the positions, what is required for the position, if it needs to be filled, and a template for the application.




My thoughts, if anyone cares...


Should applicants be able to view another applicants application?
NO, for reasons stated above.

Should applicants be able to critique their competitors applications?
NO, for reasons stated above.

Should applicants be able to critique other applicants and give biased reviews, that effect the opinions of both the staff and members?
NO, for reasons stated above.




PS: If you find this offensive at all, I apologize. This is only constructive criticism.
 
 
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KissMe2408
post Jan 13 2007, 01:11 AM
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I would like to answer this post more but it's getting late here
, however at the moment i'd like to comment on this.

QUOTE
Applications should be submitted via PM.


I don't think that is a bad idea at all actually.
It's more private, and as an applicant you won't have to worry
about writing to impress both the staff and other applicants
and members. Perhaps, it might encourage applicants to be
more original, as they won't be reading each others, and
bascially saying the same things in different words.
It also might encourage more people to apply,
I wouldn't mind that at all. . .


I will post later about the other things.
 

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Uronacid   The hiring system on this site...   Jan 11 2007, 01:21 PM
Duchess of Dork   I honestly don't have the time to completely r...   Jan 11 2007, 01:29 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Duchess of Dork @ Jan 11 2007, 1:29...   Jan 11 2007, 01:36 PM
StanleyThePanda   I agree with almost everything BUT this: QUOTE(Uro...   Jan 11 2007, 02:14 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 11 2007, 6:21 PM) In...   Jan 11 2007, 02:17 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTEThe hiring sessions aid with the transparency...   Jan 11 2007, 05:19 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Duchess of Dork @ Jan 11 2007, 1:29...   Jan 11 2007, 07:23 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 12 2007, 12:23 AM) S...   Jan 12 2007, 02:02 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 12 2007, 2:02 PM) ...   Jan 12 2007, 02:34 PM
I Shot JFK   Your welcome, Arjuna. And yea, the representative...   Jan 11 2007, 05:26 PM
Spirited Away   This is crap. You, my friend, obviously never step...   Jan 11 2007, 11:22 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 11 2007, 11:22 ...   Jan 12 2007, 12:33 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 11 2007, 11:33 PM) C...   Jan 12 2007, 01:02 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 12 2007, 1:02 A...   Jan 12 2007, 01:18 AM
The Abominable C-Pillar   I agree with Uronacid. Show them the knowledge my ...   Jan 12 2007, 12:34 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(The Abominable C-Pillar @ Jan 12 2...   Jan 12 2007, 12:41 AM
Spirited Away   So one must be organized and constructive to voice...   Jan 12 2007, 01:29 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 12 2007, 1:29 A...   Jan 12 2007, 11:14 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 12 2007, 10:14 AM) I...   Jan 12 2007, 04:44 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 12 2007, 4:44 P...   Jan 12 2007, 05:20 PM
Spirited Away   1) I changed it for you. This shouldn't be an ...   Jan 12 2007, 07:12 PM
Uronacid   You have a problem with the current system but doe...   Jan 12 2007, 09:14 PM
Spirited Away   It was some thing I could have just as easily live...   Jan 13 2007, 01:44 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jan 13 2007, 12:44 ...   Jan 13 2007, 01:47 AM
Duchess of Dork   As an aside and since it isn't really relevant...   Jan 12 2007, 02:37 PM
Uronacid   Those who care (and have the time), post. Those w...   Jan 12 2007, 04:03 PM
disco infiltrator   Q: How many hiring systems have there been? A: App...   Jan 12 2007, 04:58 PM
disco infiltrator   Not really. If you have apps when we're not un...   Jan 12 2007, 06:48 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Jan 12 2007, 6...   Jan 12 2007, 08:22 PM
disco infiltrator   Lack of staffers = understaffed, no matter what de...   Jan 12 2007, 08:36 PM
fishcake-y   Someone correct me if I'm wrong: We used to do...   Jan 12 2007, 08:41 PM
sadolakced acid   Bad form, bad form. This is not the way to go abo...   Jan 12 2007, 08:48 PM
KissMe2408   I would like to answer this post more but it's...   Jan 13 2007, 01:11 AM
Intercourse   ^I really agree with that Katie, thats what I...   Jan 13 2007, 01:19 AM
Arjuna Capulong   Applications via PM doesn't seem like a bad id...   Jan 13 2007, 01:31 AM
KissMe2408   ^ I agree actually, perhaps a list could be put ou...   Jan 13 2007, 01:33 AM
Intercourse   Didn't Josh say something similar to making th...   Jan 13 2007, 01:37 AM
Spirited Away   Well, I didn't say I'm still upset with yo...   Jan 13 2007, 01:51 AM
I Shot JFK   i disagree with the idea of private applications. ...   Jan 13 2007, 06:53 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 13 2007, 6:53 AM) ...   Jan 13 2007, 01:05 PM
niez_cho   Although what I'm going to say may be complete...   Jan 13 2007, 10:34 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(niez_cho @ Jan 13 2007, 10:34 AM) A...   Jan 13 2007, 11:33 AM
I Shot JFK   That would just take more time to do essentially t...   Jan 13 2007, 05:44 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Well, I was thinking making the deadline for appli...   Jan 13 2007, 05:58 PM
I Shot JFK   I know, but i just dont see why that is any sort o...   Jan 13 2007, 06:08 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Well, I guess the whole point of (initially) priva...   Jan 13 2007, 06:16 PM
I Shot JFK   Oh, well i see that point, and fair enough. But i...   Jan 13 2007, 06:24 PM
rawtheekuh.   Actually, I agree with Josh on this. Yet I also be...   Jan 13 2007, 07:08 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 13 2007, 7:08 PM)...   Jan 13 2007, 07:23 PM
Intercourse   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 13 2007, 7:08 PM)...   Jan 13 2007, 11:29 PM
rawtheekuh.   QUOTE(Intercourse @ Jan 13 2007, 10:29 PM...   Jan 14 2007, 01:38 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 14 2007, 1:38 PM)...   Jan 14 2007, 06:28 PM
rawtheekuh.   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 14 2007, 12:38 PM...   Jan 14 2007, 08:49 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 13 2007, 7:08 PM)...   Jan 14 2007, 02:10 AM
sadolakced acid   how about we also post the applications then? don...   Jan 13 2007, 09:33 PM
mona lisa   What if someone's application sounds great but...   Jan 13 2007, 09:35 PM
rawtheekuh.   Although I have proposed a potential solution, I t...   Jan 13 2007, 10:06 PM
My Cinderella.   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 13 2007, 10:06 PM...   Jan 13 2007, 11:24 PM
Arjuna Capulong   I don't know if you meant the "training ...   Jan 13 2007, 10:15 PM
rawtheekuh.   ^The training session would be directly after hiri...   Jan 13 2007, 10:51 PM
Arjuna Capulong   ^ Oh ok. I just remember Josh was talking about a ...   Jan 13 2007, 10:55 PM
rawtheekuh.   ^But what I mean is an official session where all ...   Jan 13 2007, 10:58 PM
Arjuna Capulong   It'd be kind of hard to gather up all new staf...   Jan 13 2007, 11:21 PM
rawtheekuh.   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jan 13 2007, 10:2...   Jan 14 2007, 11:12 AM
anime.essence   Holly in my opinion, should be my mentor even thou...   Jan 13 2007, 11:36 PM
niez_cho   ^ I believe there was such an existing topic even ...   Jan 14 2007, 11:15 AM
rawtheekuh.   ^Really? When I was a moderator, I didn't see ...   Jan 14 2007, 11:19 AM
Duchess of Dork   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 14 2007, 11:19 AM...   Jan 14 2007, 11:42 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 14 2007, 11:19 AM...   Jan 14 2007, 11:54 AM
I Shot JFK   We all have staff mentors helping us out as indivi...   Jan 14 2007, 11:21 AM
Intercourse   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 14 2007, 11:21 AM)...   Jan 14 2007, 01:33 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jan 11 2007, 1:21 PM) In...   Jan 14 2007, 01:27 PM
Intercourse   ^Yea of course, but shouldn't their opinions a...   Jan 14 2007, 09:02 PM
rawtheekuh.   ^Of course, which is why the mods should use their...   Jan 14 2007, 09:08 PM
Intercourse   Yea sorry, you don't need to repeat yourself b...   Jan 14 2007, 09:20 PM
mona lisa   QUOTE(rawtheekuh. @ Jan 14 2007, 8:49 PM)...   Jan 14 2007, 09:23 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jan 14 2007, 9:23 PM) I...   Jan 14 2007, 10:59 PM
Intercourse   ^For the whole training period. I don't really...   Jan 14 2007, 09:30 PM
mona lisa   QUOTE(Intercourse @ Jan 14 2007, 9:30 PM)...   Jan 14 2007, 09:35 PM
Intercourse   Some scripts people submit are not nesscary at all...   Jan 14 2007, 09:46 PM
I Shot JFK   Ok. You guys keep saying that the opinions people ...   Jan 15 2007, 05:45 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 15 2007, 5:45 PM) ...   Jan 19 2007, 12:25 PM
I Shot JFK   The best applicants will be those who can critique...   Jan 22 2007, 07:12 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 22 2007, 7:12 AM) ...   Jan 22 2007, 11:58 PM
I Shot JFK   If you can't see it, then why are you so sure ...   Jan 23 2007, 02:14 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 23 2007, 2:14 PM) ...   Jan 25 2007, 01:34 PM
The Abominable C-Pillar   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 23 2007, 3:14 PM) ...   Jan 26 2007, 07:31 PM
xMyStIcShAd0wSx   QUOTEThe people who are well liked ARE, fo rthe mo...   Jan 25 2007, 02:04 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(xMyStIcShAd0wSx @ Jan 25 2007, 7:04...   Jan 25 2007, 06:03 PM
Duchess of Dork   To clarify (in my opinion), popularity should not ...   Jan 25 2007, 02:31 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Duchess of Dork @ Jan 25 2007, 2:31...   Jan 25 2007, 06:32 PM
Azarel   Regardless of whether or not there's a thread ...   Jan 25 2007, 06:39 PM
I Shot JFK   Perhaps the answer is to more strictly police the ...   Jan 25 2007, 06:40 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 25 2007, 6:40 PM) ...   Jan 25 2007, 07:05 PM
tic tac.   Josh, wouldn't this interfere with what you be...   Jan 25 2007, 07:22 PM
Intercourse.   ^The hiring thread was not an average thread. The ...   Jan 25 2007, 07:40 PM
I Shot JFK   To get an honest response from the community, they...   Jan 26 2007, 11:31 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 26 2007, 11:31 AM)...   Jan 29 2007, 11:15 AM
I Shot JFK   A neutral perception isn't any closer to the t...   Jan 29 2007, 03:47 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(I Shot JFK @ Jan 29 2007, 3:47 PM) ...   Jan 29 2007, 11:22 PM
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