The hiring system on this site..., *sigh* Options

[*Uronacid*]

Intro

Alright, first off I'm not bitter about not being hired (even though no-one has been chosen... I'm pretty sure I won't be.). That is not why I'm posting this. I'm posting this so that hopefully, in the future, you guys (the staff) can learn how to avoid all the drama created by your current hiring process. Let's look at the current hiring process:

The CB Hiring Process

On CB we have "Hiring Sessions" this is how they work:

1. CB asks it's members to submit their applications via a public thread, so that all members can view the applications. Members read the applications, and then form biased opinions based upon their current relationship with each member.

2. CB then asks it's members (who do not make any decisions when it comes to the hiring process) to take part in a debate that's in the Lounge, were members inevitably end up bashing each other while trying to defend their reasons for a position on staff. A thread where people place words in others mouths and critique grammar/spelling, in a frantic effort to stomp on the heads of their competitors and gain "popularity" so that they have a better chance of being noticed by the "holy" staff. A passive-aggressive race where people try to act "polite" in an attempt make others look bad. This is a place where personal grudges create biased reviews, and the number of friends you have to back you up will effect how "right" or wrong you really are.

3. CB does this because they believe it will make the hiring process easier for them. Is it a "cream will rise to the top" theory, or is this Darwin's Theory - "survival of the fittest"?

Bad or Good?

Have you ever seen a company's staff post all their applicant's applications on a billboard in front of the company building for all to see, ask for all the applicants to debate and argue with each other over who should get the position, and then sit back and watch as people fight? Let me answer that for you. No, no you haven't, and the only place you will ever see people openly competing for a position like this is on "REALITY TV" shows like the apprentice (which as we all know, isn't very realistic).

There is a reason why real companies/organizations/groups/most websites(excluding CB) don't have hiring sessions like this. It's unfair to the applicants and it makes it more difficult to judge who should and shouldn't get hired.

It's unfair to the applicants. They get to have their applications torn to shreds by people with biased opinions of them. I'll even admit that I do it to. Why not, everyone else does it. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT!! WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO DO IT!!

It's unfair to the Staff. It makes it more difficult for them to make a decision on who is going to get hired. With everyone yelling and screaming at each other, it becomes increasingly difficult for members of staff to decide who's good and who's bad for the position. All of our opinions of each other effect what they think of us. Eventually, a hiring session becomes a popularity contest when it shouldn't be.

Some Q and A

Q: Is CB a democracy?
A: No, for those of you who don't know, they pick and choose who will be hired back stage!

Q: Does it really matter what the members think?
A: Somewhat, a Staff member does need a good understanding of the community and its members, but considering majority of the posts made on this website are done by about 10-15 of it's members... what matters is that we do our jobs when one of us is hired on staff. If someone does a bad job, they can always fire them and hire a new staff member. There are unlimited members of this community just waiting to fill limited staff positions. Has CB ever heard of whats called a PROBATIONARY PERIOD? I guess not, I'll explain...

Probationary Period: Part of the selection process during which an employee new to a position is required to demonstrate fitness for the position by actual performance of the position's duties. Usually during the first couple of weeks that an employee is hired.

Q: Can't we just avoid all of this drama?
A: Yes, we can. We can avoid it, and make CB a more enjoyable environment for all!

HOW CAN WE AVOID THIS SHIT?!

- Applications should be submitted via PM.

- There shouldn't be "hiring sessions". You should be able to submit your application to an administrator at any time, they should store those applications in the back, and hire people when they need them. This would be much easier for the Staff, and there would be a lot less drama on the site.

- They should make a topic with a title like "How to become an CB Staff Member" that lists the positions, what is required for the position, if it needs to be filled, and a template for the application.

My thoughts, if anyone cares...

Should applicants be able to view another applicants application?
NO, for reasons stated above.

Should applicants be able to critique their competitors applications?
NO, for reasons stated above.

Should applicants be able to critique other applicants and give biased reviews, that effect the opinions of both the staff and members?
NO, for reasons stated above.




PS: If you find this offensive at all, I apologize. This is only constructive criticism.

[Spirited Away]

This is crap. You, my friend, obviously never stepped into the working world. In many hiring sessions now, employers like to use what's called a "group interview". This tatic is, in essence, the same thing as sharing your application/interview with everyone who is involved with the hiring proccess. Thank you HRM 101, though I figured this out myself by keeping up with the news.

What if the community wants to hire someone who is unqualified just because they are popular? What if what the "community" wants isn't even in the hiring thread. Less than 50% of the community posted in that thread. far far far less than 50%... how do you really know what the community wants?

You said yourself that cB is a COMMUNITY, but I do wonder if you know what that means. Anyway, people who don't vote, obviously don't care much about who's leading cB! If they don't care, why should you? And even if the community cared enough, you must have process and law to ensure order and prevent crzy people from getting what they want.

On another note, less than half of Americans vote. Why don't you take your anger out on that, too, while you're at it?

No the system isn't perfect, but what is? You got a better idea?


P.S. Just so you know, "constructive criticism" isn't saying "No, it's stupid" about everything. That's just plain criticism, capesche?


Edit: P.P.S. Sounds like bitterness to me.

[*Uronacid*]

This is crap. You, my friend, obviously never stepped into the working world. In many hiring sessions now, employers like to use what's called a "group interview". This tatic is, in essence, the same thing as sharing your application/interview with everyone who is involved with the hiring proccess. Thank you HRM 101, though I figured this out myself by keeping up with the news.
You said yourself that cB is a COMMUNITY, but I do wonder if you know what that means. Anyway, people who don't vote, obviously don't care much about who's leading cB! If they don't care, why should you? And even if the community cared enough, you must have process and law to ensure order and prevent crzy people from getting what they want.

On another note, less than half of Americans vote. Why don't you take your anger out on that, too, while you're at it?

No the system isn't perfect, but what is? You got a better idea?
P.S. Just so you know, "constructive criticism" isn't saying "No, it's stupid" about everything. That's just plain criticism, capesche?
Edit: P.P.S. Sounds like bitterness to me.

Calling my feed back crap... hmmmm... personal attack... bash?

Suggesting I don't work.... making fun of me?

I know what a group interview is, and CB is nothing like a group interview.

here: http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/interview/l/aa121602.htm

The people in the interview don't critique each others applications. Instead, applicants collect as a group and talk with the employer or person who is hiring the employees. They don't CRITIQUE each other. Having people critique each other when they are competing for a position just creates drama.

It's not like the "CB is hiring" thread is advertised on all the forums... I'm sure many people that stick to one or two sections of the site had no idea this even went on. Also, CB is not a democracy or a republic. No-one votes on anything here (staff related), and if they did you might hold some ground by saying that.

I did have an idea, if you read my posts instead of bashing me you may have seen it.

I'm not bitter at all, I'm just making an attempt to suggest an idea that I personally believe would make CB a better place.

[Spirited Away]

Calling my feed back crap... hmmmm... personal attack... bash?

Suggesting I don't work.... making fun of me?

I know what a group interview is, and CB is nothing like a group interview.

here: http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/interview/l/aa121602.htm

The people in the interview don't critique each others applications. Instead, applicants collect as a group and talk with the employer or person who is hiring the employees. They don't CRITIQUE each other. Having people critique each other when they are competing for a position just creates drama.

It's not like the "CB is hiring" thread is advertised on all the forums... I'm sure many people that stick to one or two sections of the site had no idea this even went on. Also, CB is not a democracy or a republic. No-one votes on anything here (staff related), and if they did you might hold some ground by saying that.

I did have an idea, if you read my posts instead of bashing me you may have seen it.

I'm not bitter at all, I'm just making an attempt to suggest an idea that I personally believe would make CB a better place.

I never claimed that I would give you "constructive criticism" so I don't see why you would be surprised about what I said.

Child, read what you said yourself:

Have you ever seen a company's staff post all their applicant's applications on a billboard in front of the company building for all to see, ask for all the applicants to debate and argue with each other over who should get the position, and then sit back and watch as people fight? Let me answer that for you. No, no you haven't, and the only place you will ever see people openly competing for a position like this is on "REALITY TV" shows like the apprentice (which as we all know, isn't very realistic).

There is a reason why real companies/organizations/groups/most websites(excluding CB) don't have hiring sessions like this. It's unfair to the applicants and it makes it more difficult to judge who should and shouldn't get hired.

The only variation here is that non-applicants, in our case, those who are affected by this process, can see exactly how qualified you are. As someone else already said, this is is just like an election where candidates must bare their qualifications, or lack thereof, to the public. AND if you don't think people talk shit about each other in group interviews, you're either very naive, or you've never experienced one.

No one vote staff related things? You're right, cBers don't vote, cBers only created a cB revolution to demand things be changed. cBers just created by laws for the heck of it. Yea, like you know how cB runs. Haha.

Sorry that I didn't read through the whole thread. I don't have time to anyway seeing how lengthy the whole thing is. What is your bright idea? How do you suggest the system be perfected?

That was sarcasm by the way because if you can perfect the system, you would be a hero to the American people.

cB is not a democracy, but it's not authoritarian or whatever it is you feel it to be. Sorry, about the system failing you, but it worked for a lot of other people.

Actually, to be fair, many have criticized the older systems in the past and I had/have problems with it, too, but again, it cannot be perfected.

About popularity, if you are not outgoing and a people person... or a person that the community like, wouldn't that make you unqualified? I'm just curious about what you have against popularity. I know choosing someone simply because he/she is popular is a problem, but I don't see that going on. I only see highly qualified people being chosen, their popularity in the community is only one aspect of their qualifications.

Oh, and lastly, just because other sites don't do it doesn't mean cB can't. I think cB has done quite a number of things that other sites hasn't, but it's still quite the place to be.

Kudos though for speaking your mind.