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yummy_delight
post May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
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A good friend of mine and I recently got into a heated debate about evangelism. We're both Christians, but we have very different ideas about evangelism. When my friend started getting really involved in church a few years ago, he also became a rampant evangelist. He believes that by bringing more people into the church he is not only saving them from eternal damnation, but also doing his duty as a Christian. He has often quoted Charles Spurgeon, saying "Every Christian is either a missionary or an imposter," essentially stating that you can't truly be Christian without evangelizing non believers.

I, however, don't like the idea of evangelism at all. Although I'm a devout Catholic, I dislike the idea of evangelism because I don't believe that anybody, myself included, has the right to force his or her beliefs on someone else. I think that everybody has a right to be whatever the religion they choose. Perhaps it's because I have a different idea about God than other people. I don't think that God sends honestly good people to Hell just because they don't believe in him. There are such things as Christian people who are hypocritical, paying lip service to God at church on Sundays, and still go about causing harm to other people. In my opinion, these people are less deserving of heaven than the good-hearted people whose only "fault" is that they don't believe in God. I think that my duty as a Christian is to be a good person and have a positive impact on the world, which doesn't necessarily mean that I HAVE to be an evangelist.

I'd just like to know what everyone else's opinion is on this, not merely from a Christian standpoint, but from another religion's or atheist's perspective as well. Do you approve of evangelism? Are you an evangelist? Do you think that evangelism is a necessary requirement for all good Christians?
 
 
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Spirited Away
post Dec 9 2006, 05:12 PM
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Yes! Haha, they will get burned and they will learn from it. We are curious creatures "at heart". I still don't understand how, if God gave us the ability to be curious (among other things), and to learn, that He would punish us for the bad things that result from our learning. Isn't that like, making me to learn to cook and try out recipes and even mixing them, and then yell at me or punish me** when the food tastes bad.

If you can hold off responding to me until the next time I post in here, I'd appreciate it. I'm not done with my thoughts on your latest response yet, but I am pressed to study for three impending finals this week. I always like to be thorough with debates.

Until then, have a good week.

**In some cultures, and even in mainstream thought, if a girl can't cook, she isn't "wife" material. <-- a kind of punishment, in my opinion.

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If you truly believe this, then the weaknesses you've given into could've been overcome if you'd looked more to the God-instilled ability to not do them. It's easier not to listen to your conscience, though. The conscience (unless it's been seared into an inaudibility) has been given as an early warning system -- it goes off as you're about to give into some form of weakness. It sounds off to try to keep you away from those temptations.


Is it really easy to not listen to conscience? If my conscience exists to tell me the right things, and I know they are right, why would it be hard to listen? Because of weakness. What else? Weakness that comes from our imperfection. To overcome imperfection, to be perfect? No one can be perfect except God.

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Does anyone ever regret doing the right thing ? How about looking back and thinking they shouldn't have done something like lie or steal ? Speaking for myself, of course, there are many things I wish I could've done differently. And each one of them boils down to not esteeming the other person as much as I did myself (which Jesus said was the 2nd greatest Commandment). I regret those things because my conscience tells me it was wrong to have done them.


Actually, I did regret doing the right thing once. My conscience agreed with me at the time, that I should tell the truth about my Aunts' feud to my niece so that she can be prepared to face their rivalry. Keeping quiet when she asked would have been 1) lying, 2) putting her in a situation where she doesn't know where she stands, and 3) confusing the shit out of her. Now she's pulled into this crazy game of tug-o-war, and what's worse, she's taking sides. I thought that was the right thing at the time, but I guess what's "right", even by our conscience standards, is questionable at times. "Right" and "conscience", is rather subjective, and can be fickles things.





QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:53 AM) *
Your point is very well made. In no way would I ever imply that you have to be Christian to care about others. Even worse, I'd have to be blind to say that all those who call themselves "Christian" do care about others.

But, being a Christian is first-and-foremost about caring about God and the things that are important to Him. And what's important to Him is that people turn from that which takes them away from Him -- their sin -- and that they turn to Him.

I have nothing to gain from writing these words. I'm certainly not winning a popularity contest. In fact, if you want to win a popularity contest do NOT do what I'm doing.

I don't know if you're married, but if your spouse were to write you a bunch of love letters and you never even opened the envelopes, how unkind would that be ? God could have left us all guessing as to what He requires to be with Him, but He didn't. He gave us 66 Books that tell us how loving, kind, good, and righteous He is. The Bible says He takes no pleasure in the death of the those who reject Him.

I actually read this from a Harvard Case Study about an Ophthalmologist in India who devoted his life to helping as many blind people in India as he can. I did not have time to go back and read the title nor look for the author as it was a case study we had to read before answering a series of service related questions for my Service Operations final.

The Ophthalmologist said "You do not have to be religious to serve God, you can serve humanity and serve God." He is a devoted Christian who believes that God gave him the purpose and the means to help people, yet he can say that we do not need to be religious to be useful to God. He summed up my beliefs in one sentence, that man.

The love letters may be left unopened. True unconditional love for a person need not to be returned in kind. If I am a mother and my children hates me for whatever reason and I love them even in their hate and with their flaws, wouldn't you call that unconditional love? Yes, it would be nice if they reciprocate my feelings, but my love for them shouldn't change if I can say I love them unconditionally.

If there are conditions to by loved by Him, then who is the one not being fair here?
 

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yummy_delight   Evangelism   May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
kryogenix   QUOTEdon't think that God sends honestly good ...   May 31 2006, 02:37 PM
sadolakced acid   i would think, in all logic, they would be more un...   Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
ermfermoo   They bother me. A lot. Why, you ask? Because they...   Jun 5 2006, 04:16 PM
×__Fcuk.   Umm..no offence to anyone here, but I think Evange...   Jun 7 2006, 12:59 PM
ermfermoo   QUOTE(×__Fcuk. @ Jun 7 2006, 1:59 PM) My ...   Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM
×__Fcuk.   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM) I...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
L!ckitySplit   dont listen to franki ariel, she's INSANE. yo...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
marzipan   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
n00b   well I don't think you should be forced into a...   Jun 7 2006, 10:18 PM
StanleyThePanda   Forcing your religion on them isnt cool, no. But I...   Jun 7 2006, 10:23 PM
fifthing   I fully agree with your stance on the matter. I pr...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
Shulace   I recently took a class on apologetics, learning h...   Jun 8 2006, 12:15 AM
×__Fcuk.   ^ Bravo. =)   Jun 8 2006, 12:16 AM
sadolakced acid   only one person can make me do that, and he is god...   Jun 8 2006, 04:29 AM
happykmd   Ahh I really dont like Evangelists. But ironically...   Jul 29 2006, 12:14 AM
rorhinna   I would like to just define something. I have been...   Aug 10 2006, 12:34 AM
zebzie   Its called faith WITH works. If you believe in God...   Aug 10 2006, 01:38 AM
ktsou11   As Christians, we're called upon by God's ...   Aug 11 2006, 07:33 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Aug 13 2006, 05:27 PM
SilverNoOne   Evangelism is being just as open about talking abo...   Aug 16 2006, 10:04 PM
chasingvictory   well to me Evangelism isn't, "forcing his...   Aug 17 2006, 01:00 PM
thanhmai   I believe that people should have the free will to...   Aug 18 2006, 11:19 AM
sadolakced acid   hello my name is justin and i'd like to ...   Aug 19 2006, 05:51 PM
thanhmai   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 3:51...   Aug 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 6:51...   Aug 20 2006, 04:05 PM
SilverNoOne   QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Aug 20 2006, 4:05...   Aug 20 2006, 08:09 PM
Brittany Rachelle   once these people came to my friends door and scar...   Aug 20 2006, 01:32 AM
ScottD   Is there anyone listed here that would have to sto...   Nov 22 2006, 08:19 AM
happykmd   ^ Nice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean so...   Nov 27 2006, 05:24 PM
sadolakced acid   The worst kind of people are those who are falsely...   Nov 28 2006, 01:06 AM
ScottD   QUOTENice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean...   Nov 28 2006, 02:16 PM
happykmd   QUOTEI'm glad you're honest enough to reco...   Dec 4 2006, 08:06 PM
icy_wonderland   QUOTE(ScottD @ Nov 29 2006, 3:16 AM) I na...   Dec 5 2006, 07:45 AM
sadolakced acid   now i have a question for you. how do you know, t...   Nov 29 2006, 02:25 AM
splitnightsky   don't judge me for judging you. cuz then we g...   Nov 29 2006, 07:44 AM
ScottD   QUOTEnow i have a question for you. how do you kno...   Nov 29 2006, 10:23 AM
splitnightsky   to answer you without quoting (geez that was long)...   Nov 29 2006, 02:27 PM
ScottD   Yeah, sorry. I get verbose. I hope you do get th...   Nov 29 2006, 03:33 PM
splitnightsky   I really don't feel like discussing this anymo...   Nov 29 2006, 05:16 PM
ScottD   For anyone else reading this thead, please don...   Dec 1 2006, 03:39 PM
sadolakced acid   I'm sorry, but i don't trust the bible. I...   Dec 2 2006, 02:36 AM
Spirited Away   Have you turn to deism, Justin?   Dec 2 2006, 10:28 AM
sadolakced acid   no, but i'm arguing one's point of view fo...   Dec 3 2006, 01:52 PM
insomniac   scottd, are you by chance a messianic jew? your ic...   Dec 3 2006, 10:57 PM
ScottD   sadolakced acid: If you want to follow God, but do...   Dec 4 2006, 08:57 AM
insomniac   QUOTEWhen you say that you sat through all the lec...   Dec 4 2006, 06:30 PM
happykmd   ^ Yeah. How can you believe in Christ, and not be ...   Dec 4 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   QUOTEBut the faith itself, there is one God, and h...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 AM
happykmd   QUOTEI very much appreciate you both bringing out ...   Dec 5 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   Good morning, icy_wonderland. If you believe it...   Dec 5 2006, 08:00 AM
icy_wonderland   I don't have to be Christian to care about oth...   Dec 5 2006, 08:05 AM
ScottD   Your point is very well made. In no way would I e...   Dec 5 2006, 08:53 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:00 AM) Since...   Dec 5 2006, 06:22 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Dec 5 2006, 6:22...   Dec 5 2006, 07:18 PM
ScottD   I can only assume that since you mention "the...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 5 2006,...   Dec 5 2006, 08:44 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:30 PM) As fo...   Dec 23 2006, 11:39 AM
ScottD   QUOTEOk, but if you knew in advance that someone w...   Dec 5 2006, 08:47 PM
Spirited Away   This is relevant to the original discussion, how o...   Dec 5 2006, 11:19 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer How many grains of sand make up a...   Dec 6 2006, 07:15 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 06:21 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 7:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 07:50 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Spiri...   Dec 6 2006, 08:40 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf God sees me as badly as you have said (bla...   Dec 6 2006, 08:48 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer, you had mentioned earlier that t...   Dec 7 2006, 08:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) But, ...   Dec 7 2006, 04:53 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) Acid ...   Dec 12 2006, 12:22 AM
ScottD   QUOTENote that reasons do not excuse, they simply ...   Dec 8 2006, 08:40 AM
insomniac   ahh, i missed a page. i'll try to catch up as ...   Dec 8 2006, 07:45 PM
ScottD   Good morning, insomniac. In no way did I mean to ...   Dec 9 2006, 08:36 AM
Spirited Away   Yes! Haha, they will get burned and they will ...   Dec 9 2006, 05:12 PM
ScottD   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 06:55 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 07:01 PM
Spirited Away   I edited my post to keep it all in one place for e...   Dec 19 2006, 01:05 AM
happykmd   ^ Eeeeep. All but two kids out of 23 failed the En...   Dec 20 2006, 09:54 AM
happykmd   ^ I agree. People try to throw bible verses and ot...   Dec 26 2006, 12:32 AM
ScottD   Spirited Away, I hope I haven't broken any r...   Dec 28 2006, 10:10 AM
ScottD   Angelina Taylor, As strongly as you clearly do no...   Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM) Ang...   Dec 28 2006, 07:46 PM
ScottD   QUOTESeriously? You're actually serious? With...   Dec 29 2006, 03:47 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 29 2006, 3:47 PM) If w...   Dec 29 2006, 05:02 PM
Angelina Taylor   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 29 2006...   Dec 29 2006, 05:16 PM
Obscure Enigma   I think evangelism is fine, in a sence that you in...   Dec 30 2006, 09:55 AM
ScottD   I apologize for my long response here. ursedonah ...   Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) Isai...   Jan 3 2007, 01:50 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) I ap...   Jan 3 2007, 05:37 PM
ScottD   Quick question on replying: Are there a limited n...   Jan 10 2007, 01:16 PM
Angelina Taylor   I will just say one thing and I'll rest my cas...   Jan 10 2007, 02:56 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTEConsider a little boy who is looking at a hea...   Jan 10 2007, 06:34 PM
sadolakced acid   ScottD, i don't have time to read through all ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:26 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: I will just say one thi...   Jan 11 2007, 07:06 AM
Angelina Taylor   Intelligent Design vs. Evolution? HAHAHAHA, okay. ...   Jan 11 2007, 07:27 AM
sadolakced acid   Well, do you agree that an athiest such as myself ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:21 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: Please, don't pray ...   Jan 17 2007, 07:18 AM
sadolakced acid   well, i'll tell you what i believe. i believe...   Jan 18 2007, 02:12 AM
silly ol' man   ^ Respect? Yeah, you're a model of respect -- ...   Jan 18 2007, 02:21 AM
sadolakced acid   of course, and if you'd paid a shit of attenti...   Jan 18 2007, 02:39 AM
silly ol' man   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 18 2007, 1:39...   Jan 18 2007, 06:51 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 4:59 P...   Jan 18 2007, 04:53 PM
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