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yummy_delight
post May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
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A good friend of mine and I recently got into a heated debate about evangelism. We're both Christians, but we have very different ideas about evangelism. When my friend started getting really involved in church a few years ago, he also became a rampant evangelist. He believes that by bringing more people into the church he is not only saving them from eternal damnation, but also doing his duty as a Christian. He has often quoted Charles Spurgeon, saying "Every Christian is either a missionary or an imposter," essentially stating that you can't truly be Christian without evangelizing non believers.

I, however, don't like the idea of evangelism at all. Although I'm a devout Catholic, I dislike the idea of evangelism because I don't believe that anybody, myself included, has the right to force his or her beliefs on someone else. I think that everybody has a right to be whatever the religion they choose. Perhaps it's because I have a different idea about God than other people. I don't think that God sends honestly good people to Hell just because they don't believe in him. There are such things as Christian people who are hypocritical, paying lip service to God at church on Sundays, and still go about causing harm to other people. In my opinion, these people are less deserving of heaven than the good-hearted people whose only "fault" is that they don't believe in God. I think that my duty as a Christian is to be a good person and have a positive impact on the world, which doesn't necessarily mean that I HAVE to be an evangelist.

I'd just like to know what everyone else's opinion is on this, not merely from a Christian standpoint, but from another religion's or atheist's perspective as well. Do you approve of evangelism? Are you an evangelist? Do you think that evangelism is a necessary requirement for all good Christians?
 
 
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post Dec 4 2006, 08:57 AM
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If you want to follow God, but don't believe in the Bible as His Word, then you're left to follow only that which you think is right. If you at all believe that God has the power to create everything, why don't you believe that He has the power to keep His Word intact ??

Please take a long, deep look at the integrity of 66 Books written by 40 authors over 1500 years. Year after year, the Bible is confirmed more and more through archaeology as well as the through prophecies that come to pass.

We have the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts to know that what we have is unchanged. Yes, there have been many edits to the English versions -- not only to make it more readable, but also to try to change what the Word says and this is why you need to be careful. But, even those mistranslations can be found when comparing to the unchanging original languages.

insomniac:
Yes, I am a Messianic Jew.

Your comment on being a lazy Jew really cracked me up. Thank you for that. I never thought of it, but that pretty much describes me before trying to originally prove that Jesus was not who people said He was.

I grew up in a household that the name "Jesus" was worse than a 4-letter word. My father would become stiff with anger at the mention of His Name. I grew up thinking that people were either Jewish or they were Catholic -- no idea of the differences in so many Christian sects. I was so ignorant of Jesus that I had no idea He was even Jewish !! I had no clue that the guys that penned the Brit Hadashah (New Covenant) were Jewish men following the promised Messiah of Israel. I didn't even know that what is known as "The Last Supper" was actually a Passover meal !! I just didn't know. If you know these things already, you're far more knowledgable than I was.

When you say that you sat through all the lectures and you're "just sick of it", are you sick of the lectures or sick of hearing that some Jews believe that Jesus is God ? That isn't meant to be sarcastic, I would just like to know since I couldn't tell from the sentence.

Interesting that you say that Messianic Jews are inherently NOT Jewish. This is actually one of the first things that came up against me when I realized that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied throughout Tanach. How is is that completely secular Jews are still Jews ? How is it that Buddhist Jews are Jews, that atheistic Jews are Jews ?? It's simple: the term "Jew" has been used to describe both the bloodline as well as the practice of religious tradition (i.e. "Judaism"). Secular, Buddhist, atheistic, etc. Jews do not practice Judaism yet are still considered Jews because of their bloodline. For those who read this and don't know what I'm talking about, they may ask, "What bloodline are you talking about ?" The Bible teaches that there is a race of people that were born of 3 specific men: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The offspring from that lineage are called "Jews" after one of the sons of Jacob, Judah. Therefore anyone who has blood in them that follows down from these 3 men called "patriarchs" have Jewish blood and are Jewish. You can't change your blood. My belief that the Messiah of Israel has fulfilled His promises and has come already certainly doesn't change the blood passed down to me from my parents and their parents, etc.

I can only assume that your comment that Messianic Jews are inherently NOT Jewish is not based on studying Scripture or seriously considering the exclusionary statements made about Jewish Believers in Jesus. Instead, your commment is most likely made because it's what you've been told and you accepted it from men that you probably regard and respect. That doesn't mean, though, that they're right.

As for people trying to "save" you, it's unfortuntate that your perspective is that it's rude. True Christians look to the Jews with the highest regard since the Bible teaches that they've been chosen from all the nations as God's people. In fact, true Christians love the Jews and Israel more than any of my family members. They feel this way because they (as Ruth did) have made the God of Israel their God. The desire and efforts to see you saved is done in complete obedience to what the Word of God teaches.

Please search the Scriptures for yourself and find the truth in our Messiah. Don't take someone else's opinion or thoughts as fact. Not making a choice for yourself based on your own studies is still making a choice. Have you ever heard, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" ??
 

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yummy_delight   Evangelism   May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
kryogenix   QUOTEdon't think that God sends honestly good ...   May 31 2006, 02:37 PM
sadolakced acid   i would think, in all logic, they would be more un...   Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
ermfermoo   They bother me. A lot. Why, you ask? Because they...   Jun 5 2006, 04:16 PM
×__Fcuk.   Umm..no offence to anyone here, but I think Evange...   Jun 7 2006, 12:59 PM
ermfermoo   QUOTE(×__Fcuk. @ Jun 7 2006, 1:59 PM) My ...   Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM
×__Fcuk.   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM) I...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
L!ckitySplit   dont listen to franki ariel, she's INSANE. yo...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
marzipan   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
n00b   well I don't think you should be forced into a...   Jun 7 2006, 10:18 PM
StanleyThePanda   Forcing your religion on them isnt cool, no. But I...   Jun 7 2006, 10:23 PM
fifthing   I fully agree with your stance on the matter. I pr...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
Shulace   I recently took a class on apologetics, learning h...   Jun 8 2006, 12:15 AM
×__Fcuk.   ^ Bravo. =)   Jun 8 2006, 12:16 AM
sadolakced acid   only one person can make me do that, and he is god...   Jun 8 2006, 04:29 AM
happykmd   Ahh I really dont like Evangelists. But ironically...   Jul 29 2006, 12:14 AM
rorhinna   I would like to just define something. I have been...   Aug 10 2006, 12:34 AM
zebzie   Its called faith WITH works. If you believe in God...   Aug 10 2006, 01:38 AM
ktsou11   As Christians, we're called upon by God's ...   Aug 11 2006, 07:33 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Aug 13 2006, 05:27 PM
SilverNoOne   Evangelism is being just as open about talking abo...   Aug 16 2006, 10:04 PM
chasingvictory   well to me Evangelism isn't, "forcing his...   Aug 17 2006, 01:00 PM
thanhmai   I believe that people should have the free will to...   Aug 18 2006, 11:19 AM
sadolakced acid   hello my name is justin and i'd like to ...   Aug 19 2006, 05:51 PM
thanhmai   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 3:51...   Aug 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 6:51...   Aug 20 2006, 04:05 PM
SilverNoOne   QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Aug 20 2006, 4:05...   Aug 20 2006, 08:09 PM
Brittany Rachelle   once these people came to my friends door and scar...   Aug 20 2006, 01:32 AM
ScottD   Is there anyone listed here that would have to sto...   Nov 22 2006, 08:19 AM
happykmd   ^ Nice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean so...   Nov 27 2006, 05:24 PM
sadolakced acid   The worst kind of people are those who are falsely...   Nov 28 2006, 01:06 AM
ScottD   QUOTENice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean...   Nov 28 2006, 02:16 PM
happykmd   QUOTEI'm glad you're honest enough to reco...   Dec 4 2006, 08:06 PM
icy_wonderland   QUOTE(ScottD @ Nov 29 2006, 3:16 AM) I na...   Dec 5 2006, 07:45 AM
sadolakced acid   now i have a question for you. how do you know, t...   Nov 29 2006, 02:25 AM
splitnightsky   don't judge me for judging you. cuz then we g...   Nov 29 2006, 07:44 AM
ScottD   QUOTEnow i have a question for you. how do you kno...   Nov 29 2006, 10:23 AM
splitnightsky   to answer you without quoting (geez that was long)...   Nov 29 2006, 02:27 PM
ScottD   Yeah, sorry. I get verbose. I hope you do get th...   Nov 29 2006, 03:33 PM
splitnightsky   I really don't feel like discussing this anymo...   Nov 29 2006, 05:16 PM
ScottD   For anyone else reading this thead, please don...   Dec 1 2006, 03:39 PM
sadolakced acid   I'm sorry, but i don't trust the bible. I...   Dec 2 2006, 02:36 AM
Spirited Away   Have you turn to deism, Justin?   Dec 2 2006, 10:28 AM
sadolakced acid   no, but i'm arguing one's point of view fo...   Dec 3 2006, 01:52 PM
insomniac   scottd, are you by chance a messianic jew? your ic...   Dec 3 2006, 10:57 PM
ScottD   sadolakced acid: If you want to follow God, but do...   Dec 4 2006, 08:57 AM
insomniac   QUOTEWhen you say that you sat through all the lec...   Dec 4 2006, 06:30 PM
happykmd   ^ Yeah. How can you believe in Christ, and not be ...   Dec 4 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   QUOTEBut the faith itself, there is one God, and h...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 AM
happykmd   QUOTEI very much appreciate you both bringing out ...   Dec 5 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   Good morning, icy_wonderland. If you believe it...   Dec 5 2006, 08:00 AM
icy_wonderland   I don't have to be Christian to care about oth...   Dec 5 2006, 08:05 AM
ScottD   Your point is very well made. In no way would I e...   Dec 5 2006, 08:53 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:00 AM) Since...   Dec 5 2006, 06:22 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Dec 5 2006, 6:22...   Dec 5 2006, 07:18 PM
ScottD   I can only assume that since you mention "the...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 5 2006,...   Dec 5 2006, 08:44 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:30 PM) As fo...   Dec 23 2006, 11:39 AM
ScottD   QUOTEOk, but if you knew in advance that someone w...   Dec 5 2006, 08:47 PM
Spirited Away   This is relevant to the original discussion, how o...   Dec 5 2006, 11:19 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer How many grains of sand make up a...   Dec 6 2006, 07:15 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 06:21 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 7:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 07:50 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Spiri...   Dec 6 2006, 08:40 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf God sees me as badly as you have said (bla...   Dec 6 2006, 08:48 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer, you had mentioned earlier that t...   Dec 7 2006, 08:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) But, ...   Dec 7 2006, 04:53 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) Acid ...   Dec 12 2006, 12:22 AM
ScottD   QUOTENote that reasons do not excuse, they simply ...   Dec 8 2006, 08:40 AM
insomniac   ahh, i missed a page. i'll try to catch up as ...   Dec 8 2006, 07:45 PM
ScottD   Good morning, insomniac. In no way did I mean to ...   Dec 9 2006, 08:36 AM
Spirited Away   Yes! Haha, they will get burned and they will ...   Dec 9 2006, 05:12 PM
ScottD   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 06:55 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 07:01 PM
Spirited Away   I edited my post to keep it all in one place for e...   Dec 19 2006, 01:05 AM
happykmd   ^ Eeeeep. All but two kids out of 23 failed the En...   Dec 20 2006, 09:54 AM
happykmd   ^ I agree. People try to throw bible verses and ot...   Dec 26 2006, 12:32 AM
ScottD   Spirited Away, I hope I haven't broken any r...   Dec 28 2006, 10:10 AM
ScottD   Angelina Taylor, As strongly as you clearly do no...   Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM) Ang...   Dec 28 2006, 07:46 PM
ScottD   QUOTESeriously? You're actually serious? With...   Dec 29 2006, 03:47 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 29 2006, 3:47 PM) If w...   Dec 29 2006, 05:02 PM
Angelina Taylor   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 29 2006...   Dec 29 2006, 05:16 PM
Obscure Enigma   I think evangelism is fine, in a sence that you in...   Dec 30 2006, 09:55 AM
ScottD   I apologize for my long response here. ursedonah ...   Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) Isai...   Jan 3 2007, 01:50 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) I ap...   Jan 3 2007, 05:37 PM
ScottD   Quick question on replying: Are there a limited n...   Jan 10 2007, 01:16 PM
Angelina Taylor   I will just say one thing and I'll rest my cas...   Jan 10 2007, 02:56 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTEConsider a little boy who is looking at a hea...   Jan 10 2007, 06:34 PM
sadolakced acid   ScottD, i don't have time to read through all ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:26 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: I will just say one thi...   Jan 11 2007, 07:06 AM
Angelina Taylor   Intelligent Design vs. Evolution? HAHAHAHA, okay. ...   Jan 11 2007, 07:27 AM
sadolakced acid   Well, do you agree that an athiest such as myself ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:21 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: Please, don't pray ...   Jan 17 2007, 07:18 AM
sadolakced acid   well, i'll tell you what i believe. i believe...   Jan 18 2007, 02:12 AM
silly ol' man   ^ Respect? Yeah, you're a model of respect -- ...   Jan 18 2007, 02:21 AM
sadolakced acid   of course, and if you'd paid a shit of attenti...   Jan 18 2007, 02:39 AM
silly ol' man   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 18 2007, 1:39...   Jan 18 2007, 06:51 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 4:59 P...   Jan 18 2007, 04:53 PM
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