@ Mona Lisa, .fire, and cB in general. ;) Options

[Vendetta_br]

What bothers me is that one of the admins (or a member, don't remember) posted here not too long ago saying there's no need for hostility between CB and BR. Really, now. I don't see any of it from this side. If someone here posted that they loved BR, it may be border-line spam depending on context but banning someone because of a statement he/she made is ridiculous and hilarious.

- Mona Lisa

That administrator is me, by the way. (OMG BR ADMINISTRATORZ IS POSTIN HERE SO IMMATUREZ). I figured it was time for us to have another chat, since I'm stuck taking out your trash, again. Per the usual. I fully expect this thread to be flamed, which is fine. I'm going to make my point very concisely and very elegantly, try to do the same. Don't be angry, I'm not. I'm as calm as a hindu cow. I'm just fed up.

Recently, I've had to deal with yet ANOTHER cB member deciding it would be fun to spam my boards, and once again, I've had to ban ANOTHER cB member for general jackassery of the 1st degree.

Now Mona Lisa, again, I would like to stress a simple point: I am fully able to control my members, and therefore, they do not come to cB to spam because they're bored or retarded or whatever cause is behind cB members spamming BR. It's rather absurd for you to say "I don't see any of it [hostility] from this side," when you know damned well there is.

I ban an average of 10-15 cB members a month from BR, not because they're on BR - don't get me wrong, I love the traffic, and most are good intentioned enough - but because they think it's funny as hell to come to BR and spam, advertise, and be general nuisances.

Hostility towards BR? http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...6798&st=250

Contrary to what some may think, I passed kindergarten, and learned to read. Now, I'll give one hundred dollars to ANYONE who can find ANY such feelings on BR. We don't like you, and we're intelligent enough to know we don't have to point it out.

.fire, http://blogring.net/forum/archives/97742-i...tml#post2002836 is why you got banned.

We don't ban people because we like to. We ban people who break the rules of the site. Don't think we tolerate your spam or advertising. Don't think you get banned because I run a crew of communists. If you get banned, you get banned because you think spamming or advertising is funny. Well guess what, you're not funny, and you're not clever. It makes you a boring loser and people hate you.

I don't know about the warning system on BR so I can understand if they are warned for spamming. I don't know whether or not it's true or if anyone can confirm so I was only going by word of mouth, er post, of whoever posted about being banned for spamming (or was it advertising?). And I was making hostile remarks about BR, where exactly?

- Mona Lisa

Our warning system is actually quite complex. We can warn, give infractions, suspend points, lower reputation, ban, suspend, and do many other creative things which I designed in my little server shop of horrors. We can also do many more positive things.

We have a pretty clearly defined set of rules. If you have 1-10 posts on your account, and you spam, generally, it will be me that will ban you outright because you're not contributing to my site in any productive way, you're just being an idiot. cB would do the same.

If you advertise ANYTHING that's for personal gain, and not in the links forum, I will generally ban you outright as well.

As far as people coming to BR with genuine opinions and points of discussion, I never ban people. Instead of spamming "LOL CB ROX U SUX0RZ", if someone came to BR, posted a thought out thread about the superiority of cB, and stayed to chat, I wouldn't ban you. I'd refute, of course, but you wouldn't be banned. I encourage dissenting opinions.

I just said "Some of yall are hella dumb." and they suspended me.

- sofakinglazy

I'm sure there is more to it than that. If a moderator banned you, there is a reason. Don't act innocent.

There has been a history of abuse of power at br.
but anyway.
here is not to discus the f**ked up system
the moral of the story is cB
isnt a forum that fucks with people
cB's mods have a sence of dignity.and use their powers as mods respectfully and properly.
and thats why this forum is booming so well.
beacuse here.
there is no hostility.
you can say somehting really dumb and not get rocks thrown at you for your oppion.
you might get corrected.
and there is rarely a thread fight on any forum.
i should know.
im top poster
ive been top poster for a couple days now =]
there are your forum trolls
but they are very minimal
and they are under a sence of control.

- a painefull euphoria

Even if I discounted spelling and grammar, this definately should get an award for "Most ignorant and generally stupid post ever."

There was a never an abuse of power on BR, I would know, because I control all the powers that be on BR. In fact, please, illustrate where this has occured. I'm dying to know.

cB probably "fucks" with people way more than we do. Though I wouldn't know...I generally keep to myself and my own business. I'd be quicker to chide your "staff" as well. You have some good mods, and more bad mods. You elect through popularity contests and your mods fail, time and again, to prevent you from spamming up my boards. Mona Lisa, by not taking any responsibility for the actions of your members, and for ignoring obvious issues we have with each other, you only show your own irresponsibility. I don't know about you, but I'm trying to run a serious site and a serious business. Either get with the program, or "gtfo" as they say.

As for a "booming" site, true, BR had a rough spell. But we're already back to outranking everyone else on pretty much any popular xanga/myspace related search hit, and now that I'm finishing up cleaning up my 2nd generation BR design, our hits are increasing dramatically. I found where cB had linkbacks on BR, and I deleted them all. In fact, I cut BR from cB in every way, shape and form. I don't know why, but we were one of cB's biggest hit and link sources. Clever, but not clever enough. But it's okay.

Oh, and to prove my point, D e a t h . S t a r . R a v e n won't be banned on BR. Because again, I don't ban for arbitrary reasons.

.fire, I know you apologized, and I appreciate it. I really do, it shows a lot of maturity in your case...I know from experience, it's not always the easiest thing to own up to mistakes. Kudos to you.

But you're still banned. And you've done a pretty good job of further deteriorating my paitence towards cB. If you want to come to BR, and contribute, you're welcome. Hell, you're welcome to come, and not say a thing at all, if you wish. But don't come and decide you want to break my rules. I don't care if one of you does it, or all 250,000 of you do. I'll ban you all just the same, not because you're from cB, I honestly don't know where you come from 99% of the time, but because you're being dumb.

Now, either leave BR and myself alone, or let's be friends. But make up your mind, and quit wasting my damn time.

Imagine what we could do for each other if we actually worked together, or affiliated, or what not. I'd like that. But instead, you continue to perpetuate stuff like this.

[Vendetta_br]

You guys are making a really big deal over hiring process, mods, etc.

That was maybe 5% of my original post, and I don't know why you guys feel the need to vehemently defend cB, unless it's a twange of guilt. Again, in case any of you missed:

My purpose here is NOT to bash cB.

You're calling me rude and childish, which is fine, I expected that. I'm listening to the people that are legitimately arguing my points, and some of you argue very well, and I thank you for the thought.

But before I say anything else, for the handful of you who are saying

"OMG WTF TEH INTRAWEBS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! WTF WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL TO YOU DO YOU GET PAID OR SOMETHING OMG?!"

First, it IS serious business. It's serious business because, like the creators of cB, I've poured thousands of hours into the site, and, on my end, I know we've spent close to twenty thousand dollars in the past six months in hardware, firmware, code, back end, and front end upgrades. It's still a mess because we're not done, but it will look real nice when it's fixed up.

So yes, it's serious business. It's serious business because I have a fat wad of change and time in my site, so you'll have to excuse me if I roll my eyes at these comments. Unless you've taken on the monumental task of running a site like myself, or your mods and admins at cB have, then you really have no idea.

Although I've read two pages of 75% slander, some of you have seen past any indignation and anger to cut to the heart of my matter here.

Libertie actually summed it up in the last part of her post:

I don't think that's the issue here, but I don't see why we can't try to help out if that's what you want. Maybe we could punish people who are proven to have come there from here the same way we would if they were to spam on our forums?

That's all I'm asking, really. If I had BR members who blatantly came to cB to spam and cause havok, and if someone came to me and asked for help, you'd bet your ass I'd jump on it. Not because I like to punish people, but because it's the right thing to do. It's common courtesy. I don't see what's so unreasonable about doing this.

I think we've rather balkanised the situation, and it's something that's occured on both ends. Let's remember a coulpe things:

1) Other than my members typing in www.blogring.net, and you guys typing in www.createblog.com, we are exactly the same people. Both our sites members fit roughly the exact same age demagraphic, have the same interests, and generally are posessant the same personality traits. Had Mona Lisa came to BR, and posted exactly what i did here, the reaction, too, would have been the same.

2) Although feuding is all well and good, let's remember one thing. We sit at the top of a very large pyramid, and they're are a thousand other sites snapping at our ankles to try and topple us. Search anything myspace/xanga related, you're going to see two sites predominately:

Blogring, and Createblog. Do you know how hard we BOTH worked to get there? How hard it's going to be in the future, with the rising popularity of personal pages and blogs, to STAY there? We're on the top of the food chain, we can both take pride in that. But if we waste our time battling each other, you can also bet there will be scavengers and bottom feeders waiting to rip us apart.

3) Again, what I'm asking is not unreasonable. I'm not pointing a gun at your head and demanding you do this and not expect the same from myself. If there are problems, they need to be worked out. Talked out, discussed. Instead of arguing for pages, which I don't have a problem doing but don't see a point end, let's discuss the problem before us, and word on a legitimate solution, thusly shaking the foundations of the internets. Because I'm fairly sure working together has never been done online.

I'm just asking for the spam to stop. Some people here want to do it, I'm sure, they want to come to BR just to stir the bad air.

I can organize that sort of chaos for BlogRing if need be. Would it be immature and childish? Of course it would be! Would we all get a laugh out it? Yes. And I'd promptly end it with making this so-called moderator look like a jackass.

- BrandonSaunders

This is pretty much indicative of the attitude that shouldn't exist. Brandon, you'd be better to act as an example to your peers rather than some engine of havok. People would like you more, I would like you more, cB and BR would like you more, and you wouldn't make people think you were 12. And I'm not a "so-called moderator". The so-called moderators work for me. Thanks. ;)

It's the attitudes like this that don't exist on my site. Why? Because we encourage an atmosphere of acceptance. If every member of cB, like I said, came to BR with good intentions, they'd be welcomed with open arms.

Quit turning this into a "save teh respectz of cB" thread and let's treat it for what it really is:

I have a grievance, I need your help to work it out. I. Need. YOUR. Help. I can't do it on my own, that's why I'm coming to you.

But for those of you who aren't wanting to do that, who have just jumped the shark with the defense:

I cannot help point out that cB members have suggested that our modding methods were little more than popularity contests before.

Also a bit amusing how cB is "a great forum" when you have to defend it, but the rest of the time you complain about it being bored and whatnot.

Mirrored my thoughts.