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yummy_delight
post May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
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A good friend of mine and I recently got into a heated debate about evangelism. We're both Christians, but we have very different ideas about evangelism. When my friend started getting really involved in church a few years ago, he also became a rampant evangelist. He believes that by bringing more people into the church he is not only saving them from eternal damnation, but also doing his duty as a Christian. He has often quoted Charles Spurgeon, saying "Every Christian is either a missionary or an imposter," essentially stating that you can't truly be Christian without evangelizing non believers.

I, however, don't like the idea of evangelism at all. Although I'm a devout Catholic, I dislike the idea of evangelism because I don't believe that anybody, myself included, has the right to force his or her beliefs on someone else. I think that everybody has a right to be whatever the religion they choose. Perhaps it's because I have a different idea about God than other people. I don't think that God sends honestly good people to Hell just because they don't believe in him. There are such things as Christian people who are hypocritical, paying lip service to God at church on Sundays, and still go about causing harm to other people. In my opinion, these people are less deserving of heaven than the good-hearted people whose only "fault" is that they don't believe in God. I think that my duty as a Christian is to be a good person and have a positive impact on the world, which doesn't necessarily mean that I HAVE to be an evangelist.

I'd just like to know what everyone else's opinion is on this, not merely from a Christian standpoint, but from another religion's or atheist's perspective as well. Do you approve of evangelism? Are you an evangelist? Do you think that evangelism is a necessary requirement for all good Christians?
 
 
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sdingfelder
post Nov 22 2006, 08:19 AM
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Is there anyone listed here that would have to stop and think about what they should do if they were driving down the streets of a neighborhood late at night and saw a house on fire ?? Seeing that no firetrucks nor firefighters were present, would you be content to simply drive past knowing that there might be people inside ??

Is there anyone listed here that would have to stop and think about what they should do if they were walking by a public pool and saw a child drowning ?? Would you simply walk on by and figure someone else will have the time to help ? Would you run to the edge of the pool simply to stand and stare ? Or, would you disregard that the water might be cold -- that your new outfit might get wet -- that you've never saved someone's life before ?

If you have a beating heart, I think you'd run to that house and bang on the door to make sure that if there is someone there, you'd wake them up and get them out to safety. I also think that you'd jump in and save the drowning child no matter the cost.

How, then, can anyone here be upset with someone who wants to have a conversation with you about eternal things knowing that they talk with you out of a genuine concern (of course, giving them the benefit of the doubt) that you are like a person in a burning house or like a person who's drowning ?

Truly, we all stand on the brink of death every day. Not a single person can guarantee that they have tomorrow. The latest polls verify the ultimate statistic: 10 out of 10 people die.

If you believe in Heaven and Hell, please consider where your eternal destiny would be ? Are you 100% sure of where you'd go ? How can you know where you'd go ??

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob gave the 10 Commandments as His moral compass to know whether we'd go "North" or "South" after we take our last breath. Have you ever told a lie ? Have your ever taken something that didn't belong to you -- no matter the value ? Have you ever used the Lord's Name in vain ? Have you ever committed adultery ?

If you're looking at yourself and thinking, "I'm a good person and God will understand since He's so loving," be very careful. What you've done is made two very critical mistakes: (1) You're looking at yourself based on self-righteousness and NOT God's righteousness, and (2) You've broken another of the Commandments by creating a God in your own mind that is okay with the sins you've already committed.

If you've told a lie, you are a liar. If you've taken something that doesn't belong to you, you're a thief. If you've used His Name in vain, you're a blasphemer. As for adultery, consider the fact that throughout the Bible, we see that God knows our thoughts and judges our hearts and intentions. Jesus said that if you LOOK upon someone to lust after them, you've committed adultery with them in your heart already !!

I'm just as guilty as anyone of breaking the 5 Commandments mentioned so far. And just like everyone else, if God were to judge me based on His 10 Commandments, I'd be found guilty and would be well-deserving of a "Guilty" sentence and subsequent punishment of Hell. In the privacy of your own mind, if you honestly admit to your guilt to the above Laws you'll know that justice must take place.

Asking a civil court judge to forgive you of the crimes you've admitted to will not change his sentence of "Guilty" -- nor the punishment. Telling the court judge that you haven't done it in years won't change anything. Even telling the court judge that you just got finished washing his car wouldn't change anything. If he's a good judge, he's bound by the law to sentence you based on that law. God is only different in that He's a perfect, holy, and righteous judge.

This is not about joining a church. This is not about giving a church your money. This is about seriously considering your current position with regards to the God who will judge you once you take your step into eternity. It's an important thing to consider. You'll be dead a LOT longer than you were ever alive.

So, if you'd at all like to know what God did so that the fine associated with your "Guilty" sentence could be paid, just reply to this post.
 

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yummy_delight   Evangelism   May 30 2006, 07:59 PM
kryogenix   QUOTEdon't think that God sends honestly good ...   May 31 2006, 02:37 PM
sadolakced acid   i would think, in all logic, they would be more un...   Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
ermfermoo   They bother me. A lot. Why, you ask? Because they...   Jun 5 2006, 04:16 PM
×__Fcuk.   Umm..no offence to anyone here, but I think Evange...   Jun 7 2006, 12:59 PM
ermfermoo   QUOTE(×__Fcuk. @ Jun 7 2006, 1:59 PM) My ...   Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM
×__Fcuk.   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Jun 7 2006, 10:07 PM) I...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
L!ckitySplit   dont listen to franki ariel, she's INSANE. yo...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
marzipan   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Jun 7 2006, 10:14 PM
n00b   well I don't think you should be forced into a...   Jun 7 2006, 10:18 PM
StanleyThePanda   Forcing your religion on them isnt cool, no. But I...   Jun 7 2006, 10:23 PM
fifthing   I fully agree with your stance on the matter. I pr...   Jun 7 2006, 11:56 PM
Shulace   I recently took a class on apologetics, learning h...   Jun 8 2006, 12:15 AM
×__Fcuk.   ^ Bravo. =)   Jun 8 2006, 12:16 AM
sadolakced acid   only one person can make me do that, and he is god...   Jun 8 2006, 04:29 AM
happykmd   Ahh I really dont like Evangelists. But ironically...   Jul 29 2006, 12:14 AM
rorhinna   I would like to just define something. I have been...   Aug 10 2006, 12:34 AM
zebzie   Its called faith WITH works. If you believe in God...   Aug 10 2006, 01:38 AM
ktsou11   As Christians, we're called upon by God's ...   Aug 11 2006, 07:33 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 7:59 P...   Aug 13 2006, 05:27 PM
SilverNoOne   Evangelism is being just as open about talking abo...   Aug 16 2006, 10:04 PM
chasingvictory   well to me Evangelism isn't, "forcing his...   Aug 17 2006, 01:00 PM
thanhmai   I believe that people should have the free will to...   Aug 18 2006, 11:19 AM
sadolakced acid   hello my name is justin and i'd like to ...   Aug 19 2006, 05:51 PM
thanhmai   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 3:51...   Aug 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 19 2006, 6:51...   Aug 20 2006, 04:05 PM
SilverNoOne   QUOTE(Angelina Taylor @ Aug 20 2006, 4:05...   Aug 20 2006, 08:09 PM
Brittany Rachelle   once these people came to my friends door and scar...   Aug 20 2006, 01:32 AM
ScottD   Is there anyone listed here that would have to sto...   Nov 22 2006, 08:19 AM
happykmd   ^ Nice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean so...   Nov 27 2006, 05:24 PM
sadolakced acid   The worst kind of people are those who are falsely...   Nov 28 2006, 01:06 AM
ScottD   QUOTENice post. But quoting scriptures doesnt mean...   Nov 28 2006, 02:16 PM
happykmd   QUOTEI'm glad you're honest enough to reco...   Dec 4 2006, 08:06 PM
icy_wonderland   QUOTE(ScottD @ Nov 29 2006, 3:16 AM) I na...   Dec 5 2006, 07:45 AM
sadolakced acid   now i have a question for you. how do you know, t...   Nov 29 2006, 02:25 AM
splitnightsky   don't judge me for judging you. cuz then we g...   Nov 29 2006, 07:44 AM
ScottD   QUOTEnow i have a question for you. how do you kno...   Nov 29 2006, 10:23 AM
splitnightsky   to answer you without quoting (geez that was long)...   Nov 29 2006, 02:27 PM
ScottD   Yeah, sorry. I get verbose. I hope you do get th...   Nov 29 2006, 03:33 PM
splitnightsky   I really don't feel like discussing this anymo...   Nov 29 2006, 05:16 PM
ScottD   For anyone else reading this thead, please don...   Dec 1 2006, 03:39 PM
sadolakced acid   I'm sorry, but i don't trust the bible. I...   Dec 2 2006, 02:36 AM
Spirited Away   Have you turn to deism, Justin?   Dec 2 2006, 10:28 AM
sadolakced acid   no, but i'm arguing one's point of view fo...   Dec 3 2006, 01:52 PM
insomniac   scottd, are you by chance a messianic jew? your ic...   Dec 3 2006, 10:57 PM
ScottD   sadolakced acid: If you want to follow God, but do...   Dec 4 2006, 08:57 AM
insomniac   QUOTEWhen you say that you sat through all the lec...   Dec 4 2006, 06:30 PM
happykmd   ^ Yeah. How can you believe in Christ, and not be ...   Dec 4 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   QUOTEBut the faith itself, there is one God, and h...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 AM
happykmd   QUOTEI very much appreciate you both bringing out ...   Dec 5 2006, 07:49 PM
ScottD   Good morning, icy_wonderland. If you believe it...   Dec 5 2006, 08:00 AM
icy_wonderland   I don't have to be Christian to care about oth...   Dec 5 2006, 08:05 AM
ScottD   Your point is very well made. In no way would I e...   Dec 5 2006, 08:53 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:00 AM) Since...   Dec 5 2006, 06:22 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Dec 5 2006, 6:22...   Dec 5 2006, 07:18 PM
ScottD   I can only assume that since you mention "the...   Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 5 2006,...   Dec 5 2006, 08:44 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 5 2006, 7:30 PM) As fo...   Dec 23 2006, 11:39 AM
ScottD   QUOTEOk, but if you knew in advance that someone w...   Dec 5 2006, 08:47 PM
Spirited Away   This is relevant to the original discussion, how o...   Dec 5 2006, 11:19 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer How many grains of sand make up a...   Dec 6 2006, 07:15 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 06:21 PM
happykmd   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 7:15 AM) Acid ...   Dec 6 2006, 07:50 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 6 2006, 6:15 AM) Spiri...   Dec 6 2006, 08:40 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf God sees me as badly as you have said (bla...   Dec 6 2006, 08:48 PM
ScottD   Acid Bath Slayer, you had mentioned earlier that t...   Dec 7 2006, 08:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) But, ...   Dec 7 2006, 04:53 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 7 2006, 7:25 AM) Acid ...   Dec 12 2006, 12:22 AM
ScottD   QUOTENote that reasons do not excuse, they simply ...   Dec 8 2006, 08:40 AM
insomniac   ahh, i missed a page. i'll try to catch up as ...   Dec 8 2006, 07:45 PM
ScottD   Good morning, insomniac. In no way did I mean to ...   Dec 9 2006, 08:36 AM
Spirited Away   Yes! Haha, they will get burned and they will ...   Dec 9 2006, 05:12 PM
ScottD   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 06:55 PM
happykmd   QUOTEIf you can hold off responding to me until th...   Dec 11 2006, 07:01 PM
Spirited Away   I edited my post to keep it all in one place for e...   Dec 19 2006, 01:05 AM
happykmd   ^ Eeeeep. All but two kids out of 23 failed the En...   Dec 20 2006, 09:54 AM
happykmd   ^ I agree. People try to throw bible verses and ot...   Dec 26 2006, 12:32 AM
ScottD   Spirited Away, I hope I haven't broken any r...   Dec 28 2006, 10:10 AM
ScottD   Angelina Taylor, As strongly as you clearly do no...   Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 28 2006, 12:39 PM) Ang...   Dec 28 2006, 07:46 PM
ScottD   QUOTESeriously? You're actually serious? With...   Dec 29 2006, 03:47 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Dec 29 2006, 3:47 PM) If w...   Dec 29 2006, 05:02 PM
Angelina Taylor   [quote name='ScottD' date='Dec 29 2006...   Dec 29 2006, 05:16 PM
Obscure Enigma   I think evangelism is fine, in a sence that you in...   Dec 30 2006, 09:55 AM
ScottD   I apologize for my long response here. ursedonah ...   Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM
Angelina Taylor   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) Isai...   Jan 3 2007, 01:50 PM
ursedonah   QUOTE(ScottD @ Jan 3 2007, 10:10 AM) I ap...   Jan 3 2007, 05:37 PM
ScottD   Quick question on replying: Are there a limited n...   Jan 10 2007, 01:16 PM
Angelina Taylor   I will just say one thing and I'll rest my cas...   Jan 10 2007, 02:56 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTEConsider a little boy who is looking at a hea...   Jan 10 2007, 06:34 PM
sadolakced acid   ScottD, i don't have time to read through all ...   Jan 10 2007, 08:26 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: I will just say one thi...   Jan 11 2007, 07:06 AM
Angelina Taylor   Intelligent Design vs. Evolution? HAHAHAHA, okay. ...   Jan 11 2007, 07:27 AM
sadolakced acid   Well, do you agree that an athiest such as myself ...   Jan 12 2007, 11:21 PM
ScottD   QUOTEFrom Angelina Taylor: Please, don't pray ...   Jan 17 2007, 07:18 AM
sadolakced acid   well, i'll tell you what i believe. i believe...   Jan 18 2007, 02:12 AM
silly ol' man   ^ Respect? Yeah, you're a model of respect -- ...   Jan 18 2007, 02:21 AM
sadolakced acid   of course, and if you'd paid a shit of attenti...   Jan 18 2007, 02:39 AM
silly ol' man   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 18 2007, 1:39...   Jan 18 2007, 06:51 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ May 30 2006, 4:59 P...   Jan 18 2007, 04:53 PM
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