cellphones, should bloomberg ban the use of cell phone in school? Options

[anheuser]

free free to post here my answer: of course no!


bloomberg is creating sumting stupid. well he's trying to put metal detectors in midle and highschools. he's doing this so it can prevent use from bringing yur cellphones in school well isnt that a wrong thing to do like for example if there wuz an emergency wut would happen and if wanted to call yur parent what would u call them with so ... i just need a minute of yur time and just type in yes or no and u can and maybe type in sum feed bac about wut u think about it.. thxs for all your time all cb users!

[Spirited Away]

^ Pay phones, why do you need pay phones? You're seriously going to need to call someone everyday or else you'd be in a heap of trouble or what? Why? You don't need to be rich to use a pay phone either, you just need to have some change in case you really need to make a call. Don't tell me that you kids "really" need to make a call that bad every day. Look, I was in school, participated in after school activities, and I rode the bus home, I never had a need for cell phones nor did I need a pay phone each time I wanted to call home. Don't tell me that in the last 4 years, kids have lost sight of what is "need" and what is "want".

On another note, stop saying "let them carry phones since it's none of your business", "it shouldn't bother you, chill out" or things like that. I already explained why it's a problem in high schools. Pay attention and think of a better rebuttal. It seems the only answer to this controversy the opposing side is able to dig up is "it's none of your business"... Guess what? If I'm sitting next to you in class and your cell goes off, it becomes my business and the class' as well. This is just like the rule that you shouldn't yell "fire" in a building, or "hijack" on an airplane. Your "right"/"business" just stepped on other people's grounds.

I've talked about teachers as well. If I remember correctly, a rule of this forum is to read the thread. If you're too lazy to do that, at least understand the other side before jumping in. This is especially true because Angelina Taylor made the exception to her carrying a cell phone to when her cell disturbs someone.

Or, and unless it disturbs anybody.

Obviously, cell phones wouldn't be a problem ANYWHERE if it doesn't disturb or create distractions. And that is my point, that cells do disturb IN CLASS/IN SCHOOL.

Seriously, pay attention. Because of that exception, I was able to agree with a lot of what she says. I carry a cell on silent, too, and it would be a bother to use a pay phone. But I'm in college full-time, with two jobs, and I'm the President-elect of an organization. I have an excuse to want the convenience badly, what's yours? See, I even admit it. I don't need a cell phone, I just want it for convenience.

Ask yourself, why do some public schools require dress codes or the like rules? There's no "huge reason" to do so either, but they are done nonetheless.

If you think that a person can accomplish things by setting their minds on it, then in the same logic, kids can set their mind to not using cellphones in school, and more importantly in class, and "accomplish" that, too.

[AngelinaTaylor]

^ Pay phones, why do you need pay phones? You're seriously going to need to call someone everyday or else you'd be in a heap of trouble or what? Why? You don't need to be rich to use a pay phone either, you just need to have some change in case you really need to make a call. Don't tell me that you kids "really" need to make a call that bad every day.

First off, I'm not a "kid". I'm nearly 18 years old, and I have a lot going on with my schedule. Things change ALL the time for me, nearly every day. If I don't have my cell phone, there's no doubt that it will become slightly chaotic. And I'm sorry, but I get less than $3 a day. That's all. I don't work anymore because I don't have time. And I can't afford to waste money on making a call from a pay phone :)

Look, I was in school, participated in after school activities, and I rode the bus home, I never had a need for cell phones nor did I need a pay phone each time I wanted to call home. Don't tell me that in the last 4 years, kids have lost sight of what is "need" and what is "want".

You are you. I'm not you. I go out of home at 7AM, and I get home at 11PM, all done by public transport. 6 out of 7 days anyway. Mind you, my BROTHER got me my cell phone because he didn't like the thought of not knowing for sure where I am and whether I'm ok at 10pm in Toronto. I think he has a right. Plus, my mom freaks out easily, and she loves to call me late when she wants to know what time I'm coming home, despite the fact that I've already told her numerous times. But anyway.

On another note, stop saying "let them carry phones since it's none of your business", "it shouldn't bother you, chill out" or things like that. I already explained why it's a problem in high schools. Pay attention and think of a better rebuttal. It seems the only answer to this controversy the opposing side is able to dig up is "it's none of your business"... Guess what? If I'm sitting next to you in class and your cell goes off, it becomes my business and the class' as well.

My cell phone does not go off in class, period. So shhh. Chill out :) In the past four years, it has NEVER gone off. Ever.

This is especially true because Angelina Taylor made the exception to her carrying a cell phone to when her cell disturbs someone.

I'm stupid and I didn't understand your sentence. Can you paraphrase it for me?

Obviously, cell phones wouldn't be a problem ANYWHERE if it doesn't disturb or create distractions.

Alrighty. My cell phone has never disturbed anybody, so I guess (by using deductive logic), that it's not a problem.

On another note: what would happen if somebody's phone goes off? Would it kill you? Why are you so aggressive towards this? They would create a distraction for 10 seconds, after which things get back to normal. At least that's what's happened in some of my classes.

Seriously, pay attention. Because of that exception, I was able to agree with a lot of what she says. I carry a cell on silent, too, and it would be a bother to use a pay phone. But I'm in college full-time, with two jobs, and I'm the President-elect of an organization. I have an excuse to want the convenience badly, what's yours? See, I even admit it. I don't need a cell phone, I just want it for convenience.

As I said, you are you. I go to two schools, full time. I'm a part of a number of organizations, plus I get called at times to teach. I also perform on a regular basis. Sometimes I don't see my parents with days (even though we live in the same appartment), and they like to call from time to time, you know, to see what's up. That's not so terrible, is it? Especially if you're constantly on the move. Which I am.

Ask yourself, why do some public schools require dress codes or the like rules? There's no "huge reason" to do so either, but they are done nonetheless.

That's way different than harmlessly carrying a cell phone. :)

[Spirited Away]

First off, I'm not a "kid". I'm nearly 18 years old, and I have a lot going on with my schedule. Things change ALL the time for me, nearly every day. If I don't have my cell phone, there's no doubt that it will become slightly chaotic. And I'm sorry, but I get less than $3 a day. That's all. I don't work anymore because I don't have time. And I can't afford to waste money on making a call from a pay phone :)
You are you. I'm not you. I go out of home at 7AM, and I get home at 11PM, all done by public transport. 6 out of 7 days anyway. Mind you, my BROTHER got me my cell phone because he didn't like the thought of not knowing for sure where I am and whether I'm ok at 10pm in Toronto. I think he has a right. Plus, my mom freaks out easily, and she loves to call me late when she wants to know what time I'm coming home, despite the fact that I've already told her numerous times. But anyway.
My cell phone does not go off in class, period. So shhh. Chill out :) In the past four years, it has NEVER gone off. Ever.
I'm stupid and I didn't understand your sentence. Can you paraphrase it for me?
Alrighty. My cell phone has never disturbed anybody, so I guess (by using deductive logic), that it's not a problem.

On another note: what would happen if somebody's phone goes off? Would it kill you? Why are you so aggressive towards this? They would create a distraction for 10 seconds, after which things get back to normal. At least that's what's happened in some of my classes.

As I said, you are you. I go to two schools, full time. I'm a part of a number of organizations, plus I get called at times to teach. I also perform on a regular basis. Sometimes I don't see my parents with days (even though we live in the same appartment), and they like to call from time to time, you know, to see what's up. That's not so terrible, is it? Especially if you're constantly on the move. Which I am.

That's way different than harmlessly carrying a cell phone. :)

Did you see my carrot? "^"?
I wasn't talking to you so I wasn't pointing at you and saying "kid". Most of the time, the word "kid" is generalized anyway. If you're in high school, you'd be a kid to me because I'm older in comparison. The only time I talked about you, I quoted you see? I also explained that in some situations, it's okay. Did you read me at all? The problem is, not all kids need cell phones like the claim they do.

When I quoted you, you said that carrying cells isn't a problem UNLESS it's disturbing others. In this debate we are discussing how it is disturbing in the class room when a cell phone rings (in the same manner that it's disturbing in a movie or in a library), something that I assumed you'd agree with because of what you said.

... It wouldn't kill me if a phone goes off, nor would it kill me if someone's watching porn in class.... This is a debate, how am I not supposed to be "agressive"? Please, I remember instances where you and many others were equally "agressive" about a topic in here. The pot is calling the kettle black.

The point is that in the classroom, there should be one less case of distractions.

Again, again, why aren't you reading me? I said that there are exceptions, but the majority of people who are in high school do not need it.


You don't think using cell phones to cheat is a problem? And I'm sure you've read news about kids taking pictures in lockers and putting them on myspace, or haven't you? Harmless? Really?

I'm sorry that everyone isn't as great as you are Fae, some people have more complicated lives and need a cell phone to call people to get on with their lives.
I'm sure if you were in one of those peoples shoes you feel completely different about the suitation.
I know plenty of people that carry cell phones and it never causes a distraction to anyone else. Even if they use it..

So aparently its not that big of deal around here. And the fact that with the first post, a school wants to waste money to get metal detectors to make sure students don't carry cell phones, its useless.

I'm great? Please, don't go there. Complicated lives? How can a high school student have so a complicated life that a cell phone becomes a need forhim/her? You don't think that people before you had complicated lives? How do you think older generations dealt with it?

As I've already explained, I was in their shoes. I understand completely that there is NO NEED for cells, only a WANT for convenience. Do you think I skipped high school and don't know how it was?

And I know plenty of people that carry cells that do go off in class. In fact, in this very thread, another student was saying that cells go off in his/her class quite often. Why don't you read the thread and see for yourself?

Geez ladies, I'm not saying that it's going to be the end of the world if cells go off, but that it is a distraction. Again I must remind you, this is a debate, don't get all pissy with the I'm-sorry-that-everyone-isn't-as-great shit just because I don't agree with you. If you're this touchy, you might as well think badly of everyone who holds a different opinion than you. Don't have a cow, it's just a debate.

[AngelinaTaylor]

I wasn't talking to you so I wasn't pointing at you and saying "kid". Most of the time, the word "kid" is generalized anyway. If you're in high school, you'd be a kid to me because I'm older in comparison. The only time I talked about you, I quoted you see? I also explained that in some situations, it's okay. Did you read me at all? The problem is, not all kids need cell phones like the claim they do.

It doesn't matter whether you were talking to me or not; it's a debate and I can respond if I like. Correct me if I'm wrong. And yes, I'm in high school, but I'm not a kid. So when you're 26 and I'm 25, I'd still be a kid to you? Interesting logic. The fact that you're older doesn't give you the right to call me one.

When I quoted you, you said that carrying cells isn't a problem UNLESS it's disturbing others. In this debate we are discussing how it is disturbing in the class room when a cell phone rings (in the same manner that it's disturbing in a movie or in a library), something that I assumed you'd agree with because of what you said.

Great. Then we don't have a problem. :)

... It wouldn't kill me if a phone goes off, nor would it kill me if someone's watching porn in class.... This is a debate, how am I not supposed to be "agressive"? Please, I remember instances where you and many others were equally "agressive" about a topic in here. The pot is calling the kettle black.

Well, you are aggressive. And when did I say I was never agressive? :)

The point is that in the classroom, there should be one less case of distractions.

Yes. Switch it off, otherwise the teacher should have the right to keep it. It's not that difficult.

You don't think using cell phones to cheat is a problem? And I'm sure you've read news about kids taking pictures in lockers and putting them on myspace, or haven't you? Harmless? Really?

I'm sorry, but if a teacher is supervising a test, there's no way in hell he wouldn't see a student cheating with a cell phone. Seriously.

I'm great? Please, don't go there. Complicated lives? How can a high school student have so a complicated life that a cell phone becomes a need forhim/her?

(I know that wasn't directed towards me, but) Didn't you read my post? I'm pretty sure I've proven to you that a petty, little kid in high school can have a "complicated" life.

As I've already explained, I was in their shoes. I understand completely that there is NO NEED for cells, only a WANT for convenience. Do you think I skipped high school and don't know how it was?

Ummmmm.. again, don't be ignorant and don't assume everyone's the same. Where are you from, by the way? What town?

Geez ladies, I'm not saying that it's going to be the end of the world if cells go off, but that it is a distraction. Again I must remind you, this is a debate, don't get all pissy with the I'm-sorry-that-everyone-isn't-as-great shit just because I don't agree with you. If you're this touchy, you might as well think badly of everyone who holds a different opinion than you. Don't have a cow, it's just a debate.

I don't think we're getting pissy.. we just think that you're not considering the other side of things. Sure, there are "kids" who don't need cell phones, but there are some who do :) If you spent your high school years in a small town (which I think you did; I forgot where you lived), you wouldn't really be able to grasp that.

[Spirited Away]

It doesn't matter whether you were talking to me or not; it's a debate and I can respond if I like. Correct me if I'm wrong. And yes, I'm in high school, but I'm not a kid. So when you're 26 and I'm 25, I'd still be a kid to you? Interesting logic. The fact that you're older doesn't give you the right to call me one.
Great. Then we don't have a problem. :)
Well, you are aggressive. And when did I say I was never agressive? :)
Yes. Switch it off, otherwise the teacher should have the right to keep it. It's not that difficult.
I'm sorry, but if a teacher is supervising a test, there's no way in hell he wouldn't see a student cheating with a cell phone. Seriously.
(I know that wasn't directed towards me, but) Didn't you read my post? I'm pretty sure I've proven to you that a petty, little kid in high school can have a "complicated" life.
Ummmmm.. again, don't be ignorant and don't assume everyone's the same. Where are you from, by the way? What town?
I don't think we're getting pissy.. we just think that you're not considering the other side of things. Sure, there are "kids" who don't need cell phones, but there are some who do :) If you spent your high school years in a small town (which I think you did; I forgot where you lived), you wouldn't really be able to grasp that.

... You have the right to respond any way you want to anyone, I was simply informing you that I wasn't "pointing" at you and calling you "hey, kid!" in a degrading way. There's no need to be huffy. And yes, you'd be a kid to me, because you're in high school. If I have a brother who's a year younger than me, he'd be a kid. So, considering that you are four years my junior, it makes sense for me to be able to call you a kid if I want to. That logic works fine with me.

We didn't have a problem at all. I'm confused. Are you or are you not saying that cells are a problem when they disturb people? If they are, and I have said that cell phones do disturb class, what's there for you to disagree with. If you research any where on the net, you can surely find reports of this being a problem.

If by aggressive you mean heated? Yes, yes I am. Most of the time, I take debates seriously because I respect my opposition. To do otherwise would be to demean their efforts and waste both our time. You never said that you were not aggressive but by the same way that you get aggressive over other topics, you should understand why I would be aggressive in this one. No need to ask me as if you don't know why a person would be aggressive over debate.

Complicated life, huh? Are you saying that without a cell phone, you would not be able to deal with your complicated life? How do you think the older generations, meaning people living in the mid 1990s and early 2000 or so, deal with not having a cell phones? I hope you don't think our lives weren't as complicated as yours.

Am I being ignorant? Really? Then we're in the same boat because you're both assuming that I don't know what a "complicated life" would be like, when I've been there, done that. Ignorance is relying on cell phones to solve life's complications.

I love technology. How am I not considering the other side of things? I've experienced not having a cell phone on hand and when I do have it on hand. I know when there's a need and when there's a want for convenience. Whereas, you both can't even "consider" the possibility that cell phones are not "needed" by high schoolers. Ya act like the sky will fall on you if you don't have cell phones. God forbid your batteries die, we'd have a life and death crisis on our hands.

About cheating... Haha! It happens enough that it becomes a problem. You blame teachers for a student being able to cheat on tests. Why don't you blame me for not stoping a gunman from shooting someone in front of me while you're at it? Or say I was the one who didn't stop Bully #1 from randomly kicking another kid on time. Teachers may be able to stop a student from texting or playing games on phones in class temporarily, but students are less likely to have them out at all or they would be worried about phones being taken up if they were banned. Wouldn't that be one less distraction for teachers and students to deal with? Also, you haven't address the problems of mean kids using cell phones to be cruel.

Maybe you weren't pissy, but Infinite was, you can't speak for her. I take "sorry, not everyone is as great as you" as unsolicited pettiness directing at me. *Nods*, that's pissy alright.

Lastly, Houston, Texas isn't that small of a town. Bellaire and Cy-Falls High School were my alma mater, and before you ask, they are not small schools.