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Truth., Subject or objective.
HiTheyCallMejOsh
post Sep 11 2006, 08:37 AM
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I hate to start a new topic since I'm still working on my argument in the infinite time topic (which I will continue, sorry for delaying so long), but I've been having discussions about this topic recently in real life, and I wanted to get it started.

Truth - subjective or objective?
My belief is that it is subjective. I will not deeply get into it right now, until I get some replies and possible rebuttals (err..make that definite rebuttals. Here's looking at you, Nate. rolleyes.gif )

Anyways, my main argument is that truth itself deals with perception, and that perception itself is subjective. Do not confuse truth with knowledge; epistemologically, truth is a value required for something to be considered knowledge, along with justification and belief.

I am making, for the sake of argument, fact synonymous with knowledge, in the sense that you can never know something unless it is fact. In order for something to be fact, you must have the three factors listed above; justification, truth (you perceive it to be true), and a belief that it is, per se, true. If you remove any of those three factors, then you do cannot know.

But fact aside, my main argument is that, since truth itself is what you perceive, it is ostensibly subjective.

Please discuss.
 
 
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post Oct 19 2006, 01:44 AM
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I believe that truth is absolute. Some things are relative, and I feel that some things cannot be known. 2+2=4. There is no different answer for that.

When relativity comes into the question it basically eliminates all sense of responsibility. So, morals have a say in truth. What some people see as truth can change over time through knowledge of the studied subject. Such as the flat earth.

Am I right or wrong? Do I need to explain it better or is this fine?
 

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