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Truth., Subject or objective.
HiTheyCallMejOsh
post Sep 11 2006, 08:37 AM
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I hate to start a new topic since I'm still working on my argument in the infinite time topic (which I will continue, sorry for delaying so long), but I've been having discussions about this topic recently in real life, and I wanted to get it started.

Truth - subjective or objective?
My belief is that it is subjective. I will not deeply get into it right now, until I get some replies and possible rebuttals (err..make that definite rebuttals. Here's looking at you, Nate. rolleyes.gif )

Anyways, my main argument is that truth itself deals with perception, and that perception itself is subjective. Do not confuse truth with knowledge; epistemologically, truth is a value required for something to be considered knowledge, along with justification and belief.

I am making, for the sake of argument, fact synonymous with knowledge, in the sense that you can never know something unless it is fact. In order for something to be fact, you must have the three factors listed above; justification, truth (you perceive it to be true), and a belief that it is, per se, true. If you remove any of those three factors, then you do cannot know.

But fact aside, my main argument is that, since truth itself is what you perceive, it is ostensibly subjective.

Please discuss.
 
 
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HiTheyCallMejOsh
post Sep 12 2006, 05:34 PM
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You win, sir.
I guess next time I should do research before I make a claim. The logic of my reasoning is usually pretty flawed.
Until further information emerges, it makes sense that truth is objective. However, I will still be on the lookout. More research is needed to be done. We should plan a trip to the library soon, so we can take those books back, and get some new ones. Ja?
 
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post Oct 16 2006, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(HiTheyCallMeJosh @ Sep 12 2006, 5:34 PM) *
You win, sir.


Is that the truth? XD.gif

QUOTE(HiTheyCallMeJosh @ Sep 12 2006, 5:34 PM) *
I guess next time I should do research before I make a claim. The logic of my reasoning is usually pretty flawed.
Until further information emerges, it makes sense that truth is objective. However, I will still be on the lookout. More research is needed to be done. We should plan a trip to the library soon, so we can take those books back, and get some new ones. Ja?


Usually flawed? Like a fox!
You just missed this one, I think. Eh, we all make mistakes.
Yes, more research. We never got around to the library, we should do that. I need some books for serious now. whistling.gif
 

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