Bill Clinton Options

[kimmytree]

What are your views on the former President?

What about his effect on the economy?

And what about the attacks on our country? Is he to blame?

Discuss.

(Wikipedia has some good info on him).

[smoke]

^ My steady promise to stay out of this ignorant, close minded, one sided (no offence to anyone) debate form must come to an end for one moment. I honestly hope you'll admit to not knowing what you are talking about as opposed to acting like you do and continue this ranting. And this isn't a personal attack. You know me, I'm a nice guy. I really don't understand the general idea that Clinton was a better president than our current. He was no better. It's pretty bad when you lie to the people in your own country and to the people who put you in office. I'm not here to discuss Bush, but last I checked he didn't "lie" to the UN about WMD. Iraq did indeed have WMD but when the time came to check it out, Iraq already cleared them out. You guys watch a little too much CNN, huh?

Back to Clinton. I will honestly say I really like the man named Clinton. The president? Not so much. Sure, he's a nice guy, but he certainly wasn't a "good" president. And anyone who even tries to say he is will be ignored here after by myself because I really do not understand how anyone can come up with such a conclusion. Even with only 5 minutes of Google research under their belt, anyone with half a brain could figure that out. Ok, I won't ignore you... just seriously doubt your intellect, haha.

Has America's standard really stooped so low? Or is this all a left wing attempt to glorify their previous president to make themselves look good before the next election? Let us hope for the sake of the future of this country it is indeed the latter. I have nothing against the democrats, please do not think I am some right winged extremist. I'm a moderate and often side with the democratic party but the extremist attitude I've been seeing in that party is really starting to get on my last nerve. You piss green and it's some how Bush's fault. And whoever said that we were "SAFE" under the Clinton Administration... well, I don't even think I have to say a word. At least I hope not. It kind of hurts that argument when you factor in that 95% of the events that lead up to 9/11 happened during the Clinton presidency and I don't ever remember him doing a damn thing about it. They even attacked and killed our soldiers on the U.S.S. Cole, an act of war, and not a finger was even raised.

Anyways, ignore this post as I will not reply to any after this because I simply cannot take the ignorance and close mindedness that always seems to hit the fan and choke me with its poisonous fumes around here. I just wanted to simply say WAKE UP. I don't CARE what the hell your party is but for the love of God/your mother/grandmother/daughter/aunt/anything-that-you-hold-dear PLEASE open your eyes! We're Americans. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not Moderates. Americans. I'm tired of all the finger pointing. It's time to put the blame where it really belongs. On ourselves. We're not doing ANYTHING to help. Just "He did this. He did that." How is that pushing this country forward? All it's doing is making us look like dumb asses to the rest of the world. Stop doing it NOW. We need to start looking towards the future.

And whoever read all that... damn, I love you. Anyways, peace! If you want to talk about this, PM me.

[*mipadi*]

^ My steady promise to stay out of this ignorant, close minded, one sided (no offence to anyone) debate form must come to an end for one moment. I honestly hope you'll admit to not knowing what you are talking about as opposed to acting like you do and continue this ranting. And this isn't a personal attack. You know me, I'm a nice guy.

Who are you to say that anyone who responded in this thread is ignorant and close-minded? I contest this claim as it applies to myself. With the possible exception of kryogenix, I don't think anyone else who responded is a registered voter, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only old enough to have actually voted in an election (and I have). So you have a lot of nerve accusing everyone else of not knowing what they are talking about—a situation I am going to remedy here and now.

I really don't understand the general idea that Clinton was a better president than our current. He was no better. It's pretty bad when you lie to the people in your own country and to the people who put you in office.

Clinton was much, much more than the Lewinsky scandal. That didn't hurt anyone but himself and his wife—and it was between him and his wife. I don't see how you can nullify the positive things he did as president with a single act of infidelity. What happens in the bedroom has little to do with politics, in my mind.

I'm not here to discuss Bush, but last I checked he didn't "lie" to the UN about WMD. Iraq did indeed have WMD but when the time came to check it out, Iraq already cleared them out. You guys watch a little too much CNN, huh?

Numerous intelligence reports have suggested that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction.[1][2]

Back to Clinton. I will honestly say I really like the man named Clinton. The president? Not so much. Sure, he's a nice guy, but he certainly wasn't a "good" president. And anyone who even tries to say he is will be ignored here after by myself because I really do not understand how anyone can come up with such a conclusion. Even with only 5 minutes of Google research under their belt, anyone with half a brain could figure that out. Ok, I won't ignore you... just seriously doubt your intellect, haha.

And yet you accuse others of being ignorant and close-minded… How hypocritical.

And why, pray tell, was Clinton a bad president—aside from the Lewinsky matter? You've made the claim—in Debate, it's traditional to back it up with real facts.

Has America's standard really stooped so low? Or is this all a left wing attempt to glorify their previous president to make themselves look good before the next election? Let us hope for the sake of the future of this country it is indeed the latter. I have nothing against the democrats, please do not think I am some right winged extremist. I'm a moderate and often side with the democratic party but the extremist attitude I've been seeing in that party is really starting to get on my last nerve.

And what of the extremist attitude of the Republican Party? I don't think the "glorification" of Clinton was an attempt to help in the election. The Democrats didn't even bring up Clinton—it was the Republicans who started slinging mud at him. How do you justify calling the Democrats "extremist"?

And whoever said that we were "SAFE" under the Clinton Administration... well, I don't even think I have to say a word. At least I hope not. It kind of hurts that argument when you factor in that 95% of the events that lead up to 9/11 happened during the Clinton presidency and I don't ever remember him doing a damn thing about it.

Let me guess—you pulled that 95% figure out of your ass. If you're going to make such claims, back it up with evidence. The only argument that's hurting is yours, and that's because you haven't backed it up with any facts whatsoever.

They even attacked and killed our soldiers on the U.S.S. Cole, an act of war, and not a finger was even raised.

And what evidence do you have that Clinton wasn/t pursuing bin Laden? What, does the president have to level two countries to make sure everyone knows he's routing out terrorists? Even if one of those countries had no link to al-Quaida whatsoever? And what of the American lives lost under Bush? How many casualties have we had in Iraq, fighting an "enemy" that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks whatsoever? Please, gimme a break.

Anyways, ignore this post as I will not reply to any after this because I simply cannot take the ignorance and close mindedness that always seems to hit the fan and choke me with its poisonous fumes around here. I just wanted to simply say WAKE UP. I don't CARE what the hell your party is but for the love of God/your mother/grandmother/daughter/aunt/anything-that-you-hold-dear PLEASE open your eyes! We're Americans. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not Moderates. Americans. I'm tired of all the finger pointing.

Bravo. You just made the perfect soundbite. Now, how about saying something other than the same rhetoric every politician says?

It's time to put the blame where it really belongs. On ourselves. We're not doing ANYTHING to help. Just "He did this. He did that." How is that pushing this country forward? All it's doing is making us look like dumb asses to the rest of the world. Stop doing it NOW. We need to start looking towards the future.

So what are you saying? Criticizing misguided foreign policy is un-American? A person has to stand behind the president 100%, or he's dividing the country? No. If the administration is making errors—especially ones that result in the loss of American lives—and then using political rhetoric to divert attention from misguided foreign policy, I say it's un-American to not stand up and bring attention to it. When the president is ordering illegal wiretaps, holding Americans in naval brigs without trial, and illegally detaining hundreds of foreign nationals without trial, I say he's the one that's un-American—for using a misguided war to erode our rights.