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Environmentalism, right or wrong?
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post May 25 2006, 12:15 PM
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Now, when I say environmentalism, I'm dealing with the rainforest and what not. How do you guys feel about it? What's your stance on this topic?

If there has already been a thread about this, then whatever.
 
 
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post Jun 15 2006, 07:33 PM
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mayhaps you should do the same.

CO2 is not a blanket. it's not insulated the heat from escaping. it's allowing the earth to absorb more thermal radiation from the sun than without it.

or, how about this, you explain global warming and the greenhouse effect to me.
 
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post Sep 26 2006, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2006, 4:40 PM) *
and i ask:

how do you know that reducing CO2 emmissions will help the environment?
how do you know that reducing CO2 emmissions won't hurt the environment?

Were these questions answered yet? I have my own opinions to add to it.

Reducing it greatly will harm the environment, but the CO2 levels right now are dangerous. Reducing CO2 levels by a lot will make the global temperature drop steeply.
Reducing it slowly will probably help the record-breaking temperatures to cool down a bit.

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CO2 production from increased industrial activity (fossil fuel burning) and other human activities such as cement production and tropical deforestation has increased the CO2concentrations in the atmosphere. Measurements of carbon dioxide amounts from Mauna Loa observatory show that CO2 has increased from about 313 ppm (parts per million) in 1960 to about 375 ppm in 2005. The current observed amount of CO2 exceeds the geological record of CO2 maxima (~300 ppm) from ice core data (Hansen, J., Climatic Change, 68, 269, 2005 ISSN 0165-0009).

Because it is a greenhouse gas, elevated CO2 levels will increase global mean temperature. There has been an observed global average temperature increase of about 0.5oC since 1960 (Science 308, 1431, 2005), . Quantitative understanding of climate sensitivity to CO2 concentration remains elusive due to uncertainties in a variety of feedbacks, especially those related to clouds, but there is little doubt that a substantial portion of the warming in the last half century was caused by the incresase in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.

This probably answers the second one.
Directly from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

And I suggest you go watch An Inconvenient Truth (or read it). I thought it was a great documentary.
 

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JakeKKing   Environmentalism   May 25 2006, 12:15 PM
mipadi   I like to do what I can to protect the environment...   May 25 2006, 12:19 PM
JakeKKing   Okay, about the trees. When people cut them down t...   May 25 2006, 12:35 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ May 25 2006, 1:35 PM) O...   May 26 2006, 07:21 AM
Smoogrish   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ May 25 2006, 1:35 PM) O...   Jun 11 2006, 07:28 PM
Spirited Away   The consequences of hurting forests and and rainfo...   May 25 2006, 02:50 PM
JakeKKing   Absolutely. The planet is a precious thing. I thin...   May 25 2006, 11:14 PM
Ox_Su`Zie   I think its good to a certain point. Like its not ...   May 29 2006, 06:05 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   Yes. We should preserved rainforest just like pres...   May 30 2006, 07:23 PM
yummy_delight   Of course, it's right. Since humans are the ...   May 30 2006, 08:59 PM
Paradox of Life   And what argument could someone possibly have to s...   May 31 2006, 04:25 PM
sadolakced acid   michael, have you read "state of fear" b...   Jun 1 2006, 10:50 PM
mipadi   I have not read it. In fact, this is the first I h...   Jun 2 2006, 12:15 AM
sadolakced acid   it provides a different view of enviromentalism. ...   Jun 2 2006, 05:09 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 2 2006, 6:09 ...   Jun 11 2006, 11:04 PM
sadolakced acid   when the glaciers from the last ice age receeded, ...   Jun 11 2006, 11:03 PM
sadolakced acid   but what exactly are the effects of global warming...   Jun 11 2006, 11:05 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 12:0...   Jun 11 2006, 11:11 PM
sadolakced acid   surface tempuratures. here's the catch. glob...   Jun 11 2006, 11:18 PM
mipadi   I think your explanation is a bit simplistic, and ...   Jun 11 2006, 11:28 PM
sadolakced acid   i really suggest you read "state of fear...   Jun 11 2006, 11:40 PM
mipadi   There's two things I'm not understanding:Y...   Jun 11 2006, 11:45 PM
sadolakced acid   why did they have to be reintroduced? because the...   Jun 11 2006, 11:52 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 12:5...   Jun 11 2006, 11:59 PM
sadolakced acid   certainly attempts to limit pollution can cause no...   Jun 12 2006, 12:10 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 1:10...   Jun 12 2006, 12:52 AM
sadolakced acid   carbon is most prevalently found in carbon dioxide...   Jun 12 2006, 07:00 AM
marzipan   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 7:00...   Jun 13 2006, 09:14 PM
mipadi   You're definitely in the minority if you'r...   Jun 12 2006, 08:34 AM
sadolakced acid   im not saying we dont' need a limit. i'm ...   Jun 12 2006, 12:35 PM
mipadi   I'm not a meteorologist, Justin, and unlike mo...   Jun 12 2006, 12:39 PM
sadolakced acid   it's not a straw man. el nino is part of the ...   Jun 12 2006, 06:02 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 7:02...   Jun 13 2006, 08:00 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   sadolakced acid, i wouldnt blame nature for global...   Jun 13 2006, 02:55 AM
sadolakced acid   and i ask: how do you know that reducing CO2 emmi...   Jun 13 2006, 03:40 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2006, 4:40...   Jun 13 2006, 09:09 PM
sadolakced acid   ^ that's how el nino forms. but what triggers...   Jun 13 2006, 11:24 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 12:2...   Jun 14 2006, 12:16 AM
sadolakced acid   really now? mayhaps you could site a source...   Jun 14 2006, 12:35 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 1:35...   Jun 14 2006, 07:01 AM
sadolakced acid   you're assuming things. CO2 doesn't trap ...   Jun 14 2006, 02:33 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 3:33...   Jun 15 2006, 07:35 AM
sadolakced acid   mayhaps you should do the same. CO2 is not a blan...   Jun 15 2006, 07:33 PM
rawr SOCK   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2006, 4:40...   Sep 26 2006, 05:22 PM
mipadi   In a nutshell, solar engine from the sun is able t...   Jun 15 2006, 09:04 PM
sadolakced acid   generally right, but your description of it as a b...   Jun 15 2006, 09:17 PM
mipadi   The atmosphere blocks thermal radiation, which has...   Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM
sadolakced acid   blocks? like, it reflects heat back like the fros...   Jun 15 2006, 09:23 PM
mipadi   I wouldn't use the word "reflect", b...   Jun 15 2006, 09:25 PM
mipadi   Global Temperature Highest in Millennia QUOTEThe ...   Sep 26 2006, 09:15 AM


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