Truth., Subject or objective. Options

[HiTheyCallMejOsh]

I hate to start a new topic since I'm still working on my argument in the infinite time topic (which I will continue, sorry for delaying so long), but I've been having discussions about this topic recently in real life, and I wanted to get it started.

Truth - subjective or objective?
My belief is that it is subjective. I will not deeply get into it right now, until I get some replies and possible rebuttals (err..make that definite rebuttals. Here's looking at you, Nate. )

Anyways, my main argument is that truth itself deals with perception, and that perception itself is subjective. Do not confuse truth with knowledge; epistemologically, truth is a value required for something to be considered knowledge, along with justification and belief.

I am making, for the sake of argument, fact synonymous with knowledge, in the sense that you can never know something unless it is fact. In order for something to be fact, you must have the three factors listed above; justification, truth (you perceive it to be true), and a belief that it is, per se, true. If you remove any of those three factors, then you do cannot know.

But fact aside, my main argument is that, since truth itself is what you perceive, it is ostensibly subjective.

Please discuss.

[HiTheyCallMejOsh]

Well, it appears our dispute lies within the exposition of the word truth.
You say truth is of reality.
I say truth is what we perceive as a justifiable belief.

In your sense, truth is a higher value than fact, or knowledge, itself. In mine, truth is a lower value. I belief truth is a necessary quality of knowledge, and therefore cannot per se be higher in value than knowledge.

When you think of truth as "of reality," then yes, sentience is irrelevant. Whether we are there to witness something or not does not have an impact on what is. However, I do not consider that to be truth; that is something I consider fact, or knowledge. Although fact and knowledge have a difference; and that is, to me, that knowledge is awareness of fact. That is, the apple is red no matter what. That is a fact. But knowledge is having an awareness of the fact that the apple is red. Truth would be to say "I believe that the apple is red." Whether the apple really is red or not is irrelevant, as long as it is justifiable (even if only intuitively, as is the case usually) and is what you yourself perceive and consequently believe.

We can say that it is true, however, it can be a mistaken truth. Sure, we can also say something is fact, but we do not know it is a fact, mainly because of the lack of the truth quality perception, (truth being one of the three requirements for knowledge, along with justification and belief.)