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I hate to start a new topic since I'm still working on my argument in the infinite time topic (which I will continue, sorry for delaying so long), but I've been having discussions about this topic recently in real life, and I wanted to get it started.
Truth - subjective or objective? My belief is that it is subjective. I will not deeply get into it right now, until I get some replies and possible rebuttals (err..make that definite rebuttals. Here's looking at you, Nate. ![]() Anyways, my main argument is that truth itself deals with perception, and that perception itself is subjective. Do not confuse truth with knowledge; epistemologically, truth is a value required for something to be considered knowledge, along with justification and belief. I am making, for the sake of argument, fact synonymous with knowledge, in the sense that you can never know something unless it is fact. In order for something to be fact, you must have the three factors listed above; justification, truth (you perceive it to be true), and a belief that it is, per se, true. If you remove any of those three factors, then you do cannot know. But fact aside, my main argument is that, since truth itself is what you perceive, it is ostensibly subjective. Please discuss. |
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Truth is black and white. We will sometimes see it in shades of grey, but in reality it is black and white.
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Truth is black and white. We will sometimes see it in shades of grey, but in reality it is black and white. So you're saying it's objective. I'm saying that truth can be grey, and in fact, is a lot of the time. Take this example. Person A is standing in front of and facing Person B, who is also facing Person A. They are both standing next to person C, who is facing Person A and Person B (but manifestly they are not facing Person C). They form a triangle, as shown in this poorly drawn diagram... -----------Person A---------- ---------------------Person C -----------Person B---------- Now, remember, Person A and Person B are facing each other. It is irrelevant which way Person C is facing (I'm not sure why I even mentioned which way he was facing earlier, but it doesn't exactly make a difference.) Anyways, Person A says to Person B, "Person C is to my left." This statement is true. Person B says to Person A, "Person C is to my left." This statement is false. Person A and Person B made the exact same claim, yet the truth value changed for each person. To say that a statement can have a truth value of both true and false is absurd. The truth value of that statement is correct in correlation with the perception of the one who makes the claim; that is, truth is based upon perception, and it is subjective because one can make the exact same claim yet it would be false. |
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