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After the tragic attack on 9/11 and the war on terrorism, Islam remain the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n1..._200110043.html

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3
http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/am.htm

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This post has been edited by mona lisa: Sep 3 2006, 07:14 AM

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Negative I'm not wrong... you cannot understand the concept, your mind is set differently, which is not your fault but the people before you. I would keep debating with you, but your intellect is laughable, in my point of view. You're thinkin like a typical person from America/Canada/Europe...

If some Muslims on this thread were ballsy enough, they would share my same view., The problem is you're pickin out all the negativity of so-called true Muslims and the so-called faith of Islam... when in fact you're using false resources for your knowledge. LIke I said I would keep going, but I see where this is going.. you already believe you know more than me when it comes to Islam but the problem is, you only know what "they" have told you. You made claim about you knowing people from Islam... so what? Do they truely know Islam? I find that questionable. Your knowledge on Islam is just as bad as CNN or Foxnews tellin us the so-called facts of the War against terrorism.

Try again... this time get a real perspective on Islam instead of using ignorant education to debate with me.

[*kryogenix*]

Negative I'm not wrong... you cannot understand the concept, your mind is set differently, which is not your fault but the people before you. I would keep debating with you, but your intellect is laughable, in my point of view. You're thinkin like a typical person from America/Canada/Europe...

Except I'm an Asian American with blood from a country that has a considerable Muslim population. You need to stop making assumptions about me (didn't you learn not to make assumptions when you thought Burial Gown was a white boy?).

If some Muslims on this thread were ballsy enough, they would share my same view., The problem is you're pickin out all the negativity of so-called true Muslims and the so-called faith of Islam... when in fact you're using false resources for your knowledge.

Aren't you doing the same for Christianity? And yes, of course my resources are false, because I'm using Muslim law as my resource. I am referencing Sharia, Dar al Islam, dhimmi status and karaj. So I suppose you admit that it is false, so I'm expecting you to convert in the near future.

LIke I said I would keep going, but I see where this is going.. you already believe you know more than me when it comes to Islam but the problem is, you only know what "they" have told you. You made claim about you knowing people from Islam... so what? Do they truely know Islam? I find that questionable. Your knowledge on Islam is just as bad as CNN or Foxnews tellin us the so-called facts of the War against terrorism.

I don't claim to know more than you. I claim to know more than you think I know. There's a difference. The former would have been arrogance on my part, the latter, which is the case we are dealing with, is arrogance on your part.

Try again... this time get a real perspective on Islam instead of using ignorant education to debate with me.

And to this point, you haven't even debunked a thing.

[NoSex]

And to this point, you haven't even debunked a thing.

Kryo's right.

You havn't made a single sound argument or meaningful rebuttle. In fact, I don't think you have made one anywhere on these forums. All of your arguments consist of straw men, misinformation, fallacies, and just a complete and offensive unwillingness to listen and debate accordingly.

Unless you are willing to at least try to answer people's questions, repond to people's rebuttles, justify your positions, and recognize the opposition seriously, I suggest you abandon these forums. Telling people that they are brainwashed(1), suggesting that people can not understand because they are not "worthy"(2), never citing your sources - but linking your arguments, resorting to ad hominem consistently, never really addressing people's arguments, and telling us you have secret knowledge is not convincing(3).

I highly suggest you do some work in learning to properly debate, form an argument, justify that argument, and refute the opposition's rebuttles. Take some lessons in logic, and try some variety of philosophy. You keep suggesting that everyone else needs lessons in such studies, but you yourself seem less proficient and less learned that anyone else here. I'm saying this because you're derailing topics and wasting a lot of our time. You are just not cooperating in a healthy manner, whatsoever.

To a degree, some of these actions may be tolerable, but that you have demonstrated, time and again, that you are just unwilling or incapable of respecting the order of debate, it is highly intolerable. Maybe if you had gained some credibility you could get away with some of this, but at your position, telling someone that they are brainwashed is just a blatant and meaningless argument from insult.

You aren't addressing anyone's arguments, you're just making assumptions about the person's positing the arguments. That isn't how you prove a point, and that certaintly is not how one should go about debating. If you want to refute someones calims, you actually have to talk about their claims. You actually have to identify exactly why their claims are incorrect, by forming an argument or citing relavent facts. You have to talk about their argument, not about them.

I couldn't disprove your theories on 9/11 just by calling you a "left-wing conspiracy nut-job" and saying that your claims have "already been debunked numerous times". Just as you can't disprove my rebuttles by calling me a "neo con, right-winger" and saying that my answers have already been "taken care of." I actually have to say why your theories are wrong, I would actually have to go the length to debunk them, not just say that they had been debunked. And, you would actually have to answer my questions and refut my rebuttles. You would actually have to say why my answers are not adequate, not just say that they are and expect me to believe you.

I'm trying to help you here. If you refuse to shape up and take some advice, I'm going to have to give you a warning. Please, respect your opposition and recognize them. Spend time to form your arguments and think them through. Respond to the opposition's rebuttles and questions. Thank you.