The Kennedy Assassination Options

[Gypsy Eyes]

We're discussing this in my great moral class and I was so suprised that nothing came up when I searched this, if there is I'm really sorry just merge it or something. Alright moving on.

Who do you think killed Kennedy? There has been so much debate over this issue, the government is saying one thing and the eye witnesses are saying another. The "conclusion" has been changed so many times in order to keep Oswald as the only killer.

I could rant for hours on this so what is your opinion? If you want some more background information this is a really good site.

[NoSex]

A good 100 people started chasing the figure seen on the grassy knoll but they were stopped by a police officer.

100 people were stopped by a police officer? Really? So, 100 people were determined enough to run after a figure they had seen on the grassy knoll (despite the fact that I can not seem to find any reports that any more than a few had ever even reported seeing any kind of figure behind the knoll) bu they were not determined enough to run passed a single officer? Not to mention, I have heard the same story told many different ways. Sometimes the figure mysteriously disappears, other times a small group is stopped by a few men with FBI identification, and others large groups are stopped by a single police officer?

I can believe people might have thought they hear or saw something and decided to have a look, but you make it sound so much more urgent then it was. Insofar as I know, no one even bothered to move behind the Knoll until the President's limo was long gone. Did the figure just happen to hang around that long?

Yes technically the single bullet theory would work but if you watch the actual video, the bullet would have had to move over a good six inches to pierce the governor the way it did.

Which video? The video I posted? It explains that entirely.

The bullet wouldn't have had to move over, the Governer and the President were positioned, at that moment, perfectly for the wounds observed on their bodies and a single bullet trajectory from the Texas School Book Depository. In fact, Conally was positioned 6 inches in-board. So, the conspiracy model is just wrong. They assume that Conally is positioned directly in-front of Kennedy. He isn't, he's 6 inches over. The bullet doesn't have to move. Conally already had.

If you're talking about the Zapruder video. Even there, you can tell the Governer is further from the door and seated lower than the president. Nothing unusual really.

The bullet wounds are smaller on the front of his neck, and larger on the back therfore it entered through the front, not the back. Simple forensics

Well, unfortunately, forensics aren't simple. It isn't the easiest to determine exactly which wound is the exit and which is the entree without quite a bit of information. Given this situation, we're dealing with a high powered rifle and a CE 399 bullet in a full metal jacket. You expect, in this case, for it to be even more difficult to determine an exit from and entree.

Doctors who were either affiliated with the autopsy or the initial care of the body made this fact very clear.

A Dr. Charles S. Carrico, when asked whether he had sufficient evidence to form a solid opinion on whether the throat wound was an exit or an entree, he responded, "No, sir; we did not. Not having completely evaluated all the wounds, traced out the course of the bullets, this wound would have been compatible with either entrance or exit wound depending upon the size, the velocity, the tissue structure and so forth." [1]

Taking into account the addition of further investigation, Dr. Carrico further stated that "With those facts and the fact. as I understand it no other bullet was found this would be, this was [the throat], I believe, was an exit wound."

Further, Dr. Carrico's colleagues at the Bethesda Naval Hospital agreed; as did a Dr. Perry, who worked closely with the body. [2]

Still, if we examine the autopsy and pathology reports we find that the neck wound was "widely gaping" and had "irregular edges" while such gaps and edges were not observed in the back (which would be identified as the entree wound).

Further, the back wound was - an oval - 6x7 millimeters. While the neck wound stretched out 6.5 cm. [3]

The neck wound was actually larger than the back. Although, because of a tracheotomy performed by Dr. Perry, in attempt to save the president's life, much of the original wound was destoryed. However, further evidence suggests that the bullet came from above and behind the president. Fibers on Kennedy's clothing pulled with the trajectory of the bullet [4]. Witnesses saw a rifle and heard the shots coming for the Texas School Book Depository [5]. This helps to explain damage to the limo's windshield from the interior. It is a coherent, tested, and plausible explanation for the wounds and events sustained by both Conally and Kennedy.

Besides, if you see pictures (i've actually been there) there is a huge tree right in the way (it was pretty big back then too).

The FBI and secret services, among others, have done numerous tests and recreations of the events of that day in Dallas. From the 6th floor window where Oswald is believed to have fired from, snipers have made note of the Oak tree. The tree itself is of no serious obstruction and did not present itself as a problem given the position of Oswald and the President when the shots were made. [6]

Witnesses say they saw Oswald in the company cafe right after the shooting, not out of breath at all. This would mean that he ran across an entire attic (mind you this place is huge, and there are stacks of books everywhere) down 6 flights of stairs and down two hallways in a matter of 2 minutes without even being slightly winded.

The place wasn't all too large. Oswald resided on the 6th floor, and the lunchroom was on the 2nd. We're talking four flights, not six. He wasn't in an attic. The place is relatively clean and easy to navigate. Not to mention, two minutes isn't exactly a fair time.

The witnesses you're talking about are motorcycle officer Marion Baker, and TBSD superintendent Roy Trully. Officer Baker had heard the gunshots and was immediately cautioned. At this time he was rolling onto Houstan St. off of Main. He looked towards where he believed the shot had rang out from, the Texas School Book Deposity (TSBD). He saw pigeons displace and began to accelerate towards the building. Fighting through a crowd of people he made it into the complex and met with Mr. Trully. Both then began to seach each floor in, its entirety, for persons out of place.

Making it to the lunchroom, Baker pulled his gun on Oswald when Trully quickly informed the officer that Oswald was an employee. They moved on. So, in two minutes, Baker drove his motocycle all the way down Houston St, parked his Bike, fought he way through the crowd, made his way into the complex, explain his position to Trully, and began to seach the first floor.

Sounds like more than enough time for Oswald to throw a gun behind some boxes and walk four flights of stairs into the lunchroom. [7(page 5)]

Besides, how could a bullet that pierced a throat, and a shoulder blade still be in perfect condition?

Perfect condition? Why doesn't everyone think the bullet was in perfect condition?! It wasn't!



The bullet sustained consistent damage as would be expected given the wounds of the two men. As the bullet had a full metal jacket, it was created to pierce the body with minimal fragmentation. However, it clearly is damaged, far from perfect.



These are test rounds. They were shot through simulations to represent human forms. Notice the increase in damage from left to right given the increase in velocity. The "magic bullet" isn't so magical. And definately not as "pristine" as some may assume.

The Zapruder Film clearly shows that Kennedy went backwards as the bullet struck his head, meaning that the shot had to have come from the front. The School Book Depository was behind Kennedy.

How does his head moving backwards suggest that the bullet had to come from the front? I think you've been watching too many movies. This isn't actually how physics operates. Bullets don't exactly have enough resistence, especially not one with a full metal jacket fired from a powerful rifle, to push a head/body/whatever, in its direction.

The pressure release actually tends to move the head towards the origin and entree wound of the bullet in the skull, especially if the exit blows out tissue. This is the jet effect. Ontop of this, the movement is probably better explained as a result of neuromuscular reaction. [8]

There were a few that were a bit off, but I don't think that interfered much with the general consensus. One lady claimed she was on the bus with Oswald at the time that he was at work. Oh, and I was wrong; according to this article, there were 51 witnesses that heard shots from the grassy knoll. I can't seem to find how many didn't hear anything.

Insofar as I know, the general consensus was (and is) that the bullets came from the TSBD.
Also, I mean those who heard nothing from the Knoll.

I'm back to dial-up. I can't watch it. Okay, but to be pristine? Since I can't see it, does it confirm that Conally was hit in his wrist as well? I know the Warren Commission report states that (if you want, I can quote it for you, but I'm too lazy to find it at the moment ), but there are multiple witnesses that saw him holding his hat on the stretcher with that hand.

I already proved that bullet wasn't "pristine."
Also, Conally's wrist wasn't that damaged. In fact, he didn't even notice it until the morning after. The doctor didn't catch it either. But, they patched it up afterwatds, no biggie. So, even if he was seen holding his hat, so what? He didn't even realize his hand sustained damage in the first place! [9]

Yes, but the vast majority of them work under the government.

Uhh, actually, I don't think so.