bible/religion as fact Options

[*Statues/Shadows*]

In nearly every debate, people always seem to insist on using "I believe this because of my religion" or "it's in the bible."

However, are these actual valid foundations for debate?

[*kryogenix*]

ROFL. You don't know how to read. Go look up those contradictions again yourself. Weed out the ones that are taken competely out of context, and then post the ones that remain. If I wanted, I could find websites with contradictions in the Quran, but I won't.

And having idols, pictures/drawings, engravings, etc... of God and his creations such as heaven, angels, prophets, etc... is a sin. Why do Christians have crosses, pictures of jesus, pictures of prophets and their followers, why do they have pictures of mary? Why do Catholics pray to Mary? Why do they pray to idols such as pictures, crosses, and statues?

First of all, depictions of God and heavenly dwellers is not a sin. I don't know where you're getting this from.

Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

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Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

God has no partners, so askin from Jesus or Mary is still blasphemy.

That's funny cuz I see catholics bowing in front of a statue of Christ or John the Baptist, or even Mary, and they pray. Putting your trust or belief onto anything but the Spirit of God is a sin...

And how about confessing your sins to another human being? That's a sin as well, no one is to know of your sins by confession. Only God is worthy to receive your confessions.

[*chaneun*]

Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

He clearly stated that Catholics don't worship idols.




Anyway, I don't feel like reading all the replies to this topic.
I don't believe just saying "because my religion states that this is correct" may be convincing to one in a debate because that is one person's own personal belief. However, when you're young and naive, your parents or guardians could have raised you according to a certain religion, making you likely to partake in that belief. You're raised to think that the bible/your religion is "correct." As you grow older and become more realistic in life, you may have doubts of what can really happen and can never happen, or what could have been physically possible to happen. But if you still insist on holding onto your religion, it will be difficult to convince one other side of a debate that you believe your ideas are right, especially if that one other side of the argument is deeply into their belief.

Overall, I don't think that using your religion or personal belief to support your argument is reasonable, if using in a vague way such as "it says it in the bible."

Ignore this so I don't feel completely stupid when you reply back to this.