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After the tragic attack on 9/11 and the war on terrorism, Islam remain the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n1..._200110043.html

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3
http://www.themodernreligion.com/convert/am.htm

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This post has been edited by mona lisa: Sep 3 2006, 07:14 AM

[illriginal]

Because you're simply using sources from Western civilization media... give me a break. Don't tell me.. you think Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist too right?

Actually can you answer that question for me?...

You don't know me, how can you even make that statement?

I don't have to know you... I just have to know your ideologies, obviously you jumped onto the ban wagon of makin ignorant statements such as callin Islam a form of fallacy. If you truely weren't ignorant to Islam... you'd understand that it's NO WHERE NEAR a form of fallacy.

[*kryogenix*]

Because you're simply using sources from Western civilization media... give me a break. Don't tell me.. you think Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist too right?

LOL, the big bad West. Good way to dodge an arguement.

Muhammad was a warlord who raided caravans and had some questionable marriages. You tell me what he was.

Actually can you answer that question for me?...
I don't have to know you... I just have to know your ideologies, obviously you jumped onto the ban wagon of makin ignorant statements such as callin Islam a form of fallacy. If you truely weren't ignorant to Islam... you'd understand that it's NO WHERE NEAR a form of fallacy.

What are my ideologies then? How do you know how much I've studied Islam? Why are you misinterpreting what I'm saying? Why do you refuse to read things I post? Why do you dodge my questions?

The article I linked to did not call Islam itself a fallacy. It called the "fastest growing" statement a fallacy. Oh wait, but it's the Big Bad West, so it must be wrong.

Hint: It's not a good thing to call someone ignorant when you refuse to read and understand things yourself and make false assumptions.

[illriginal]

LOL, the big bad West. Good way to dodge an arguement.

Muhammad was a warlord who raided caravans and had some questionable marriages. You tell me what he was.
What are my ideologies then? How do you know how much I've studied Islam? Why are you misinterpreting what I'm saying? Why do you refuse to read things I post? Why do you dodge my questions?

The article I linked to did not call Islam itself a fallacy. It called the "fastest growing" statement a fallacy. Oh wait, but it's the Big Bad West, so it must be wrong.

Hint: It's not a good thing to call someone ignorant when you refuse to read and understand things yourself and make false assumptions.

What's there to argue? We all know that Western Civilization and their media is misleading and brainwashing... if you disagree then I fully understand and we should end it there.

Good way to dodge my question, so I'll ask you again, do you believe Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist? I think this is a very simple question to ask. You're Christian yourself, no? So this question should not be hard for you to answer.

You're claiming that Islam is a fallacy only because it's truely the highest converting religion at this point, or am I wrong?

I read your article... all I see is labeling a religion that's popular a fallacy.

The way I see it is... modern day Christianity failed the people and those people went on a hunt to find the truth. Islam is where the truth is. That's why I made a claim of Christians and Atheists converting to Islam, because it is flawless and authentic.

Now back to the fallacy, Islam is not the better religion because people are converting to Islam at a high rate. What makes it better is its authenticity. Maybe I must have misunderstood the point that the thread starter was making. But to me it seems like he was only informing the people of factual information. Then you used the term of fallacy attackin the fact that Islam is currently at a high rate of conversion, as if you still don't want to give Islam any kind of credit ability.

And about the Western Civilization... compared to the Eastern... trust me I feel ashamed of the Western Civilization. I love the faith that the people of the East have, their cultures, and how strong they keep their morals. There's alot more to it. But quite honestly Western Civilizations is goin down the drains.

EDIT: I just realized that article came from a Catholic website... I can't believe I just wasted my time even arguing with even just a little bit of debate.

I'd like to end the debate now, I was wondering why it seems so biased and condescending... moving on.

[*kryogenix*]

What's there to argue? We all know that Western Civilization and their media is misleading and brainwashing... if you disagree then I fully understand and we should end it there.

Good way to dodge my question, so I'll ask you again, do you believe Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist? I think this is a very simple question to ask. You're Christian yourself, no? So this question should not be hard for you to answer.

You're claiming that Islam is a fallacy only because it's truely the highest converting religion at this point, or am I wrong?

I read your article... all I see is labeling a religion that's popular a fallacy.

If Islam is teaching that Western Civilization is bad, then we have a bigger problem at our hands. Western Civilization is welcoming Muslims and tolerating them, but at the same time, Muslims are not grateful and understanding of Western Civilization? How rude!

You know the answer to whether Mo is a terrorist, that is why you ask. Don't play games with me.

You obviously didn't read the article, or you're reading it with tinted glasses. The article states that religions (not just Islam) claim they are the fastest growing by using fuzzy math. I have no idea where you're reading that it says Islam itself is a fallacy (the article isn't limited to Islam itself anyway, so how can you make that claim? Oh right, you didn't read it).

The way I see it is... modern day Christianity failed the people and those people went on a hunt to find the truth. Islam is where the truth is. That's why I made a claim of Christians and Atheists converting to Islam, because it is flawless and authentic.

Oh. You mean like this man?:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4823874.stm

Now back to the fallacy, Islam is not the better religion because people are converting to Islam at a high rate. What makes it better is its authenticity. Maybe I must have misunderstood the point that the thread starter was making. But to me it seems like he was only informing the people of factual information. Then you used the term of fallacy attackin the fact that Islam is currently at a high rate of conversion, as if you still don't want to give Islam any kind of credit ability.

I challenged the claim he made about the fastest growing religion. That's why this is in Debate. But obviously you don't want to debate it, since you're not even reading the article.

And about the Western Civilization... compared to the Eastern... trust me I feel ashamed of the Western Civilization. I love the faith that the people of the East have, their cultures, and how strong they keep their morals. There's alot more to it. But quite honestly Western Civilizations is goin down the drains.

Then why aren't you helping?

EDIT: I just realized that article came from a Catholic website... I can't believe I just wasted my time even arguing with even just a little bit of debate.

What's going on with Islam nowadays? Muslim's I've met had nothing but the deepest respect for Catholicism and Christianity and would be glad to talk to me regarding these issuses.

I'd like to end the debate now, I was wondering why it seems so biased and condescending... moving on.

My posting of the article was not condescending. I was offended when you would not even read it. Are you afraid of something? Afraid of realizing you might have been wrong, so you're cutting yourself off from opposing viewpoints? Is that why you're afraid of arguing with me?

[illriginal]

If Islam is teaching that Western Civilization is bad, then we have a bigger problem at our hands. Western Civilization is welcoming Muslims and tolerating them, but at the same time, Muslims are not grateful and understanding of Western Civilization? How rude!

You know the answer to whether Mo is a terrorist, that is why you ask. Don't play games with me.

You obviously didn't read the article, or you're reading it with tinted glasses. The article states that religions (not just Islam) claim they are the fastest growing by using fuzzy math. I have no idea where you're reading that it says Islam itself is a fallacy (the article isn't limited to Islam itself anyway, so how can you make that claim? Oh right, you didn't read it).
Oh. You mean like this man?:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4823874.stm
I challenged the claim he made about the fastest growing religion. That's why this is in Debate. But obviously you don't want to debate it, since you're not even reading the article.
Then why aren't you helping?
What's going on with Islam nowadays? Muslim's I've met had nothing but the deepest respect for Catholicism and Christianity and would be glad to talk to me regarding these issuses.
My posting of the article was not condescending. I was offended when you would not even read it. Are you afraid of something? Afraid of realizing you might have been wrong, so you're cutting yourself off from opposing viewpoints? Is that why you're afraid of arguing with me?

Western Civilization is welcoming Muslims? That's funny, here in South Florida alone, at Miami Airport, Hollywood Airport, and Ft.Lauderdale Airport, it is now legal to "RACIAL" profile. They are profiling terrorist by the clothes they wear, if they carry a Qur'an or any literature that looks Hebrew/Arabic script, skin color, facial features such as their beared and hair color... I can go on.

Muslims have no problem with Western Civilization other than the politicians and media. And even non-Muslims have a problem with this as well. Why? Because Western Civilization's excuse to use the label "terrorists" on Muslims is becaues of Bin Laden... when Bin Laden alone is the most hated person in the world, especially disliked by the Muslims because Bin Laden portrays himself as a man of God. When in reality... Bin Laden was a CIA tactician, and was paid to act like he's the one that caused everything. Self incriminating evidence, gotta love it.

Actually I do know the answer to Prophet Muhammad being a terrorist or not.. but I want to know what you honestly believe... you're still dodging my question. So c'mon answer this question, I promise I'm not gonna make personal attacks for your answer if you answer it wrong. So no... I'm not playing games with you, I just wanna know what's your point of view.
Here's a clue as to what I know of Prophet Muhammad, "SCREW" Jerry Falwell and everyone that believes in his deviance.

Obviously you brought up the article because it was intended for Islam for the fact being that this thread is generally about Islam and how it's the fastest growing religion right now... Anyone can read your first post and agree that you're mainly attacking Islam because of the topic at hand. Unless I'm crazy? I can easily read between the lines, that's a fact.

Muslims have respect for every person in this world, but I love watching Christians/Catholics debate religion with Muslims... I'd like not to explain why though, but you should watch them on youtube or even google has some of them.

Trust me I'm not wrong, I didn't even misunderstand your post or article... I just know exactly the move you pulled. People can do devilish activities with an angelic image... most people are too dumb to realize that, some know what the real intentions are and don't fall for the images given to their vision

[*kryogenix*]

Western Civilization is welcoming Muslims? That's funny, here in South Florida alone, at Miami Airport, Hollywood Airport, and Ft.Lauderdale Airport, it is now legal to "RACIAL" profile. They are profiling terrorist by the clothes they wear, if they carry a Qur'an or any literature that looks Hebrew/Arabic script, skin color, facial features such as their beared and hair color... I can go on.

It makes sense, since the terrorists have been overwhelmingly Arab Muslims. Same reason why men have to pay more for car insurance, because men are more likely to cause accidents.

Now, let's check out the treatment of Non-Muslims in Islamic countries. They are treated as low class citizens, subjected to a tax and are shunned by society. And if a Muslim decides to convert to Christianity, they try to execute him. Look at numbers of how many Jews lived before around the 1940's. Now flash forward to 60 years of persecution, and look how many Jews live there. There is no comparison between the treatment of the Muslims in the West, and the treatment of Christians in the Middle East.

Muslims have no problem with Western Civilization other than the politicians and media. And even non-Muslims have a problem with this as well. Why? Because Western Civilization's excuse to use the label "terrorists" on Muslims is becaues of Bin Laden... when Bin Laden alone is the most hated person in the world, especially disliked by the Muslims because Bin Laden portrays himself as a man of God. When in reality... Bin Laden was a CIA tactician, and was paid to act like he's the one that caused everything. Self incriminating evidence, gotta love it.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, not all terrorists are Muslim, but you acknowledge that overwhelmingly, terrorist attacks against the West have been Muslim.

Actually I do know the answer to Prophet Muhammad being a terrorist or not.. but I want to know what you honestly believe... you're still dodging my question. So c'mon answer this question, I promise I'm not gonna make personal attacks for your answer if you answer it wrong. So no... I'm not playing games with you, I just wanna know what's your point of view.

No. My opinion is Mohammed is a false prophet and warlord. Definitely not a good man, but you can say he is not in the 21st century public image of a terrorist.

Here's a clue as to what I know of Prophet Muhammad, "SCREW" Jerry Falwell and everyone that believes in his deviance.

Obviously you brought up the article because it was intended for Islam for the fact being that this thread is generally about Islam and how it's the fastest growing religion right now... Anyone can read your first post and agree that you're mainly attacking Islam because of the topic at hand. Unless I'm crazy? I can easily read between the lines, that's a fact.

I call em as I sees em. He made a statement I believed as false, so I sent an explanation to the fallacy behind his statement. I wasn't attacking Islam in the post, I was attacking the point he was making, and nothing more. I'm attacking points as they are introduced.

Muslims have respect for every person in this world, but I love watching Christians/Catholics debate religion with Muslims... I'd like not to explain why though, but you should watch them on youtube or even google has some of them.

I don't like watching them, because many times, they Christians are forced to convert at gunpoint, or they are being beheaded.

However, in order to indulge you, I watched this video of Wafa Sultan in a debate on Al Jazeera:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ

Trust me I'm not wrong, I didn't even misunderstand your post or article... I just know exactly the move you pulled. People can do devilish activities with an angelic image... most people are too dumb to realize that, some know what the real intentions are and don't fall for the images given to their vision

Why do you claim to know me? You're coming off as a very pretentious person.