bible/religion as fact Options

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In nearly every debate, people always seem to insist on using "I believe this because of my religion" or "it's in the bible."

However, are these actual valid foundations for debate?

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ROFL. You don't know how to read. Go look up those contradictions again yourself. Weed out the ones that are taken competely out of context, and then post the ones that remain. If I wanted, I could find websites with contradictions in the Quran, but I won't.

And having idols, pictures/drawings, engravings, etc... of God and his creations such as heaven, angels, prophets, etc... is a sin. Why do Christians have crosses, pictures of jesus, pictures of prophets and their followers, why do they have pictures of mary? Why do Catholics pray to Mary? Why do they pray to idols such as pictures, crosses, and statues?

First of all, depictions of God and heavenly dwellers is not a sin. I don't know where you're getting this from.

Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

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Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

God has no partners, so askin from Jesus or Mary is still blasphemy.

That's funny cuz I see catholics bowing in front of a statue of Christ or John the Baptist, or even Mary, and they pray. Putting your trust or belief onto anything but the Spirit of God is a sin...

And how about confessing your sins to another human being? That's a sin as well, no one is to know of your sins by confession. Only God is worthy to receive your confessions.

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You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

This is one of the most commonly used anti-Catholic arguements.

Yes, the worship of anyone or anything other than God is a sin. However, that is not what Catholics do. I explained already that it is asking the saints to intercede on our behalf. It is NOT worshipping them. Think of it this way, would you rather pray on your own, or have someone who is very close to God pray for you along with you?

God has no partners, so askin from Jesus or Mary is still blasphemy.

That's funny cuz I see catholics bowing in front of a statue of Christ or John the Baptist, or even Mary, and they pray. Putting your trust or belief onto anything but the Spirit of God is a sin...

Jesus is God, so how is it blasphemy? And as I explained in my other post (you don't seem to like reading and understanding do you?), we do not worship Mary, so there is no sin here. It is like asking someone else to help you pray, there is no sin here.

Go read a Cathecism (you probably won't) and you'll see it's all in there.

And how about confessing your sins to another human being? That's a sin as well, no one is to know of your sins by confession. Only God is worthy to receive your confessions.

Whoa. I had no idea that Muslims were not allowed to confess things they've done wrong to humans. Is that why terrorists won't plead guilty even in the face of overwhelming evidence?

You have to understand that Catholicism is the Church that Christ himself started. Jesus himself appointed the apostles as the first priests, who were given the mission by God to bestow his grace by forgiving sins.

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This is one of the most commonly used anti-Catholic arguements.

Yes, the worship of anyone or anything other than God is a sin. However, that is not what Catholics do. I explained already that it is asking the saints to intercede on our behalf. It is NOT worshipping them. Think of it this way, would you rather pray on your own, or have someone who is very close to God pray for you along with you?
Jesus is God, so how is it blasphemy? And as I explained in my other post (you don't seem to like reading and understanding do you?), we do not worship Mary, so there is no sin here. It is like asking someone else to help you pray, there is no sin here.



God has no partners... you don't need to ask for saints to help you pray to God, that's just laughable. So wait you're tellin me that Catholics are actually spiritually weak, right? Since they cannot make a strong spiritual bond with God, even when they pray? They need the help of saints in order to pray? Well that sucks, in my opinion.

In my case, I pray 5 times... that alone covers any little sin I commit through out the day. I don't ask for saints or angels or prophets to help me make a connection with God in order to have my prayers heard.

Jesus is not God, not in my religion. He's the Messiah, the savior of the human race. Doesn't mean we have to pray to Jesus nor call him Lord. In my religion, what saves you is:
Believing in God, knowin God has no partner, believing that Prophet Muhammad is his slave and his prophet, and that Jesus the son of virgin Mary is God's slave/prophet and also the Messiah. Believe that there's heaven and hell, and live by the Laws of God, meaning no commiting of sins.

Jesus cannot change the Laws of God, only God can change those Laws. The New Testament was modified by the Romans. In fact Jesus was never crucified, there's no proof of it. Jesus never died and raised again. That's what the Egyptians claimed with their Gods... The Roman version of Jesus or shall I say the new/modern age Christians believe the same exact stories of the Egyptian Gods. Don't believe that? Look up the relevance in Osiris and Jesus.

Romans believed in the Egyptian Gods as well... how can you sit here and honestly believe that the Romans who were disgusting to begin with, no where near the men or nation of God
could have not touched the facts of Christianity. The Romans destroyed the image of Jesus and destroyed his message, then recreated him for their personal agenda in Imperialism... the truth hurts, some people can't handle the truth so they purposely stay ignorant and laugh at what God has revealed to them.

Why do you think Christianity is so popular to begin with? Christianity would have not been soo popular if they didn't divide and conquer. Murdering, raping, stealing, and force converting was part of the Roman and Spaniard agenda in order to control the people with their governance. Wait you do know that there was a time where Christians were killin off Christians right? Where a blasephemous "so-called" sect of Christianity could not let the truth be told, and they would do anything to destroy the truth. They succeeded in the most part, but guess what? There's actually a part of the world that holds the truth of Christianity... that's in Jordan. Those Christians there do not have the same Western Civilzation's version of the NT... they have authentic version


Go read a Cathecism (you probably won't) and you'll see it's all in there.
Whoa. I had no idea that Muslims were not allowed to confess things they've done wrong to humans. Is that why terrorists won't plead guilty even in the face of overwhelming evidence?

You should know that I myself have already studied the OT and the NT, in fact I also read the Torah. It is not permissible to confess your sins to another human being or an object. In the NT, the best arguement Christians use is that the followers of Jesus would confess to him and the other followers lol... that's a lie but then again modern day Christians would believe anything
Why would I ever respect the Catholic religion? Read the OT, find the answer there. Stop using Jesus and the saints and whatever else is in the NT to argue the point. It doesn't hold a drop of water.

No human can truely forgive a sin, no human has that authority. You can forgive someone for hurting you, or stealing from you, but you cannot forgive their "SIN" Sin that their spirit has commited, how can a human forgive a spirit? They can't... they can't make that connection, only God can.

You have to understand that Catholicism is the Church that Christ himself started. Jesus himself appointed the apostles as the first priests, who were given the mission by God to bestow his grace by forgiving sins.

I smell Egyptian ritual here... sorry, doesn't hold water either.

By the way, did you know baptising is also an Egyptian ritual? To clense their sins away and start fresh again lol

Muslims don't have any rituals, everything is about one self and God only.