bible/religion as fact Options

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In nearly every debate, people always seem to insist on using "I believe this because of my religion" or "it's in the bible."

However, are these actual valid foundations for debate?

[*kryogenix*]

ROFL. You don't know how to read. Go look up those contradictions again yourself. Weed out the ones that are taken competely out of context, and then post the ones that remain. If I wanted, I could find websites with contradictions in the Quran, but I won't.

And having idols, pictures/drawings, engravings, etc... of God and his creations such as heaven, angels, prophets, etc... is a sin. Why do Christians have crosses, pictures of jesus, pictures of prophets and their followers, why do they have pictures of mary? Why do Catholics pray to Mary? Why do they pray to idols such as pictures, crosses, and statues?

First of all, depictions of God and heavenly dwellers is not a sin. I don't know where you're getting this from.

Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

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Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. Never have, never will. Catholics ask Mary to intercede on their behalf. Read a list of intercessions, you will see that any request made to God will be followed by "Hear our prayer," while any request made to Mary or the Saints will be followed by "Pray for us."

Third, Catholics do not worship idols. Statues and pictures are just representations of what they are. The reason there is a commandment against idols is that for the ancient Hebrews, the common pagan practice were to worship stone idols of false Gods. The objection is against worshipping false Gods, not representations of God.

You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

God has no partners, so askin from Jesus or Mary is still blasphemy.

That's funny cuz I see catholics bowing in front of a statue of Christ or John the Baptist, or even Mary, and they pray. Putting your trust or belief onto anything but the Spirit of God is a sin...

And how about confessing your sins to another human being? That's a sin as well, no one is to know of your sins by confession. Only God is worthy to receive your confessions.

[*kryogenix*]

You better re-read your 10 commandments.

Praying to anyone or anything for that matter other than God is a sin... that's paganism. That's something the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians did.

This is one of the most commonly used anti-Catholic arguements.

Yes, the worship of anyone or anything other than God is a sin. However, that is not what Catholics do. I explained already that it is asking the saints to intercede on our behalf. It is NOT worshipping them. Think of it this way, would you rather pray on your own, or have someone who is very close to God pray for you along with you?

God has no partners, so askin from Jesus or Mary is still blasphemy.

That's funny cuz I see catholics bowing in front of a statue of Christ or John the Baptist, or even Mary, and they pray. Putting your trust or belief onto anything but the Spirit of God is a sin...

Jesus is God, so how is it blasphemy? And as I explained in my other post (you don't seem to like reading and understanding do you?), we do not worship Mary, so there is no sin here. It is like asking someone else to help you pray, there is no sin here.

Go read a Cathecism (you probably won't) and you'll see it's all in there.

And how about confessing your sins to another human being? That's a sin as well, no one is to know of your sins by confession. Only God is worthy to receive your confessions.

Whoa. I had no idea that Muslims were not allowed to confess things they've done wrong to humans. Is that why terrorists won't plead guilty even in the face of overwhelming evidence?

You have to understand that Catholicism is the Church that Christ himself started. Jesus himself appointed the apostles as the first priests, who were given the mission by God to bestow his grace by forgiving sins.