9/11: conspiracy theories Options

[ryfitaDF]

watch this:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=85019
(it probably won't work too well if you have dial-up)

i know it's 80 minutes long but it is very VERY interesting.

[illriginal]

I honestly believe the towers did have explosives strapped onto it.
There's a video where it goes slow motion, and you can see 1-2 floors below the crashin floors blow out, thus makin it weaker for the crashing floors to go through.

On top of that, history repeated... the Nazis did the same exact thing and then came out with the Enabling Act... Look up the differences between Patriot Act and Enabling Act, it should give you goose bumps unless you're already brainwashed by our President and the media.

Plus I'd like to see video footages of the plane that hit the Pentagon... as in the ones that came from gas stations and hotel buildings... I wonder why the government agencies took those videos and never showed us? Maybe they're video editing to make it look like the plane they claim to hit the pentagon.

It sure wasn't a commercial airplane, it must have been a private plane... if not that, well you know what's the other claim.


Here's something that I wrote up in my literature class, was pretty interesting:

I am oft questioned about my loyalties to this country because of my views on 9/11 and the President. As one can imagine, I get numerous messages and whatnot regarding that very matter from people who believe everything the government tells them. Some polite and inquisitive, most rude and malicious. People tell me things like I am a disgrace to this country and if I don't like it here I should leave. I didn't know freedom of speech only applied to those who believe George Bush, I guess I missed that amendment to the Constitution. Nor did I know that dissent was un-American. It's funny though, no one calls the members of the American Revolution bad Englishmen. Am I comparing myself to the founding fathers of this country? Yes...and no. Yes in that I believe this country is on a path for a second revolution, and no because I haven't done anything yet. By this logic, I believe that I am more American than people who support our current administration. Don't take that the wrong way, I am not saying I am better than they are, I am saying I am more American. When I believed the official story (as we all did), I didn't run around mocking the people who didn't. I never told them "love it or leave it" or called them un-American. I pretty much ignored them. So I say I am a great American because I am trying to get our country back to what it once was and what it could've been had people like John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, and Dr. Martin Luther King jr. not been assassinated. As some of you have heard me say; our country has been stolen from us, and when something is stolen from you, you don't consider it gone and forget about it, you fight to get it back.

Back to the messages I get. I always ask the believers of the official story to answer a few questions for me, 90 percent of the time they mark the end of our correspondence. I use these 20 questions, some you've heard, some you haven't. Here is the list in no particular order:

1. Why has the government not released any videos that clearly show American 77 crashing into the Pentagon?

2. Why was all the steel from the Twin Towers and building 7 immediately sold to scrap metal vendors and shipped overseas and melted down to be reused without ever being tested?

3. Why isn't the collapse of building 7 mentioned anywhere in the 9/11 Commission Report?

4. Why weren't the cameras atop the Twin Towers (used by local television stations) working on the morning of 9/11?

5. Why were the only 2 elevators in the Twin Towers that ran directly from the basement to the roof out of order the entirety of 9/11? Including prior to the first plane crash.

6. Why didn't former Mayor Giuliani use his emergency command center located in building 7 at any point on 9/11? This is strange because the center was built after the attacks in 1993 for the main purpose of being there in case the Towers were attacked again.

7. Why wont the government release the blueprints for the Twin Towers?

8. Why did President Bush sit in a Florida classroom for 20 minutes after hearing about the second plane hitting the South Tower?

9. Why aren't the alleged terrorists on any of the flight manifests?

10. Why did President Bush grant safe passage to 20 members of the bin Laden family (who lived in the US on 9/11) back to Saudi Arabia in the days following the attacks? This is strange because 2 of those members were Osama's brothers, and they were suspected of being terrorists by the FBI prior to 9/11.

11. How did the FBI locate Mohammed Atta's girlfriend the day after the attacks when they said they had no knowledge of Atta prior to 9/11?

12. If the FBI was correct in their assumption of Atta's girlfriend, how am I supposed to believe that Atta was a radical Islamic fundamentalist if he dated a stripper when Islam strictly forbids such behavior?

13. Why wont the government release the tapes of the supposed cell phone calls made by the passengers?

14. Why was FEMA appointed to investigate the collapse of building 7 when FEMA is not an investigatory agency?

15. Why was the 9/11 Commission only given a mediocre 3 million dollars to investigate 9/11 when the investigation of the Challenger explosion was given 50 million dollars 15 years earlier?

16. How come every top tier member of the 9/11 Commission has worked for either United Airlines, American Airlines, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, or Ratheon? Is that not a major conflict of interest?

17. Why did we invade Afghanistan when all the alleged hijackers were either Saudi or Egyptian? Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia or Egypt?

18. Where are the weapons of mass destruction that we were 100 percent positive existed in Iraq?

19. Why was the Pentagon monitoring the FAA without their knowledge on 9/11? Moreover, why didn't the Pentagon assist the FAA on 9/11?

20. Ever heard of ABLE DANGER? Google it.

Good luck getting answers!

[NoSex]

1. Why has the government not released any videos that clearly show American 77 crashing into the Pentagon?

Please give citations to evidence that they exist in the first place.
Ontop of that, how is this unusual? Is it not natural for videos of crime scenes and private investigations to be confiscated and generally not realeased to the public.

Argumentum a silentio isn't going to prove a conspiracy here.

If not an American 77, what do you propose crashed into the Pentagon?

2. Why was all the steel from the Twin Towers and building 7 immediately sold to scrap metal vendors and shipped overseas and melted down to be reused without ever being tested?

Immediately? Let's be more specific. And, how about some sources and citations? Should I just take your word for it? In fact, I don't believe you at all. Funny thing, a large part of many of the conspiracy theories I have heard surrounding the debris itself actually rely on the debris from the site not being immediately salvaged and sold away. Further, some of them require that at least some testing and press coverage was done.

So, are we going to have our cake and eat it too? Or?

Most of the debris from the WTC, insofar as I know, reside in Statan Island landfills (Not over seas) and dedicated testing fields nearby. The New York Department of Sanatation took care of a large majority of the clean-up. They were watched closely by over 50 (Often 100) police officers assigned to scout for clues. Hell, to date, over 7,000 pieces of evidence have been collected due to the NYDS and NYPD's joint effort.

Although private contractors were hired to help the effort, NYDS was the first on site cleaning up. After the NYPD and NYFD gave them the go ahead, they were in. The FBI, Secret Service, NYPD, The National Guard, and many others searched through the debris for evidence and clues. [1]

NASA has done some studies on site. [2] Other independent and government bodies have investigated and studied remains of the WTC.

Why don't you ever cite your sources?

Hmmm. Alright. So, what?

3. Why isn't the collapse of building 7 mentioned anywhere in the 9/11 Commission Report?

Why should it have to be?
What exactly do you suggest its omission implies?

The 9/11 Commission Report was largely a counter-terrorism manual. It was more an investigation of the events leading up to 9/11 rather than the day itself and the subsequent short-comings. WTC 7 isn't exactly the most relevant. Granted also that the official explanation of its collapse is due to an indirect damaging. Many more buildings were destoryed than just the WTC 7 Sure, it would have been nice to include it, but WTC 7 isn't the only building that fell to the ground and didn't get mentioned in the Commission Report.

In fact, several other buildings (including those of the WTC) were destroyed. Should they be mentioned in the Commission Report as well?

Your question is loaded. It assumes that the collapse of building 7 was of immediate concern to the intentions of the Commission Report. Well, it really wasn't, and that's largely why it was not included. It has little to no relavency to the picture the report was trying to paint. An expository and cautionary work focusing on preparedness and immediate counter-terrorism response needn't mention building 7.

I've decided that I'm just going to take your questions three at a time. If you care to respond, I'll continue. Otherwise, no luck. Your questions are just busy work. Mostly baseless assumptions, fallacies, irrelevancies, and flat out lies. But, if you respond interestingly enough, and do some homework, I may play your game.