How much would you be willing to sacrifice to actually live? Options

[Mistress Bags]

First of all, a few of you may know my rather bitter and overly negative view of society, and if you do not, you will now. With that said, I do value my individuality even more because of its rarity in this society I'm so cynical about.

If you liked The Giver and Fahrenheit 451, this book that inspired this topic will thrill you. It's called Uglies (by Scott Westerfield). Last time when I read a book like this (The Giver), I immediately scrambled to all my forums to discuss it. Well, it's been a while, so new people... new opinions?

Uglies is a story about our world three centuries from now. At one point, we nearly destroyed each other in war, conflicts, politics; and we ruined our earth, made animals extinct by our folly, and used up nearly all our resources. The story is about how as a solution for our stupidity, our world became something like a utopian society. Everything is given to you, and nobody questions anything. You learn and lead a life normal to ours up until your sixteenth birthday, when then you'll be transformed by surgery into society's idea of what is beautiful. Once you're beautiful, you live in a part of town that is seperated from the "uglies," as they refer to the younger people, so naturally flawed. Once you're turned pretty, you party, have fun, and look beautiful. You don't learn, you don't think, you don't work-- you just live. You're very shallow, since this is a world where everything is beautiful. The ironic thing is, that description sounds an awful lot like the majority of today's society, does it not? Anyhow, one of the girls who is about to be 16 and turned pretty realizes that she loves herself how she is, so she runs away to be free and to be herself. The girl's best friend, Tally, who is also about to turn 16, doesn't want her friend to go, but does nothing about it and continues waiting until she could at last be turned pretty. The day she's supposed to be turned pretty, she discovers a nasty part of society that she never knew before. There's a committee who runs everything about society. They know everything about everybody... down to every last secret. They watch your every move. Well, they confront Tally about her friend, telling her to go find her, while threatening her to not turn pretty. Tally leaves, and find much more than just her friend... a secret about her not-so-perfect society. The group that Tally's friend ran away to wasn't just some random people gathering. It was, in fact, something started by two doctors who have all the secrets about turning pretty: when you're turned pretty, they not only change your appearance, but brainwash you to being a mindless drone of society.

Not to ruin much more of the book, I'd like to discuss this with you guys. The concept of a utopian society like this has its ups and downs. In one strike, it takes away greed, lust, poverty, murder, diseases, hunger, war, disputes-- basically, everything bad. Yet, it also strips you of your freedom of your individuality. All the people brainwashed don't know they're brainwashed, so of course, they're happy as can be... they know no better. Would this be a better way to live? Or would you rather continue as we are, and end up making ourselves extinct, just so the very few people who are actually unique can still have the ability to think for themselves?
How much would you be willing to sacrifice to actually live?

[Mr. Slowjamz]

[How much would you be willing to sacrifice to actually live?

you can ask Jesus , Buddha and Muhammed that question . im serious . from all people i would understand those 3 would be able to handle those cicrumstances .they felt great , and they felt humbl e about it . they attained englightenment . and i respect that .

anyways ...all of you all are getting the wrong interpretation . were not talking about books because some of these points are far-fecthed from the point. we have too much self interest from what we want and need . you can blame the government and you can blame religion . you can blame the arts as well . there has to be a former means of tolerance . if everyone in some cases were a fully tolerant in which they can handle the situation ...add that with patience , trust , and understanding .. . yea it would work .. but as what mistress said ....we could end up over-populated . We also don`t take responsibility over our own world . Because first of all people we care only for our needs specifically and we place love on usless desires . Were too sophisticated for what we want and were not simplistic . If we used technology in the right way ...with the right means , that includes responsibility over our planet / cultures and differences ...then probably yea ...there could still be hope .