Punk Options

[satch]

Just wondering I am an old school punk guy been into since I was 13 saw Social Distortion at a backyard party got in for 2 bucks lol...so here is my question...


I know times have changed what do you all consider Punk??

Thanks!

[d0t0rg]

Ramones weren't Pop-Punk. Only people who say that are people who judge Punk on accents. Sure they had clean vocals but they sounded nothing like Buzzcocks. Ask John, Jello, hell even ask Hilly Kristal and you will get the same reply about this and my last post.

[NoSex]

Ramones weren't Pop-Punk. Only people who say that are people who judge Punk on accents. Sure they had clean vocals but they sounded nothing like Buzzcocks. Ask John, Jello, hell even ask Hilly Kristal and you will get the same reply about this and my last post.

Why should they have to sound like Buzzcocks?
As the Buzzcocks were relating their sound within an entirely different musical scene, it would make sense that if both bands were deriving from two different popular sounds, they would sound different. But, to tell me that the Ramones were not heavily influenced, and directly so, by pop music from the 1950's into the early 70's, I would have to disagree.

Refer to Rockaway Beach, Here Today Gone Tomorrow, R-A-M-O-N-E-S!, Blitzgrieg Bop, I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend, California Sun, Merry Christmas.

For that matter, take just about any love song.
I never meant to suggest that a clearer vocal styling meant a pop-punk sound. What I was looking at with the Ramones was the very obvious 1950's-60's boy band feel. Their simple progressions, drum patterns, and sing-a-long styles only, for me at least, emphasize that correlation to 60's pop rock stars.

However, I will concede the point that the Ramones as a pop-punk band is still a weaker case than say The Offspring, or Blink 182, or even The Dickies. But, this discussion of Pop-punk really began with Blink 182 and Sum 41. So, if you don't mind me asking, what exactly about them makes them so not pop-punk?