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Assassinating a dictator, Can it be justified?
simx
post Nov 23 2005, 09:54 PM
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Can the assassination of a dictator be justified?
 
 
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post Jul 28 2006, 06:26 PM
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haha.

nice. in depth.

if you do not know US history, then don't tell me that the US hasn't plotted assasinations. come back when you've at least gone over the communist era. without a shit state funded textbook, by the way, those things are just political tools.

but since you said you've covered up to WWII, you would know that in the american revolution, the "patriots" were terrorists, by today's standards, right?

and thus, it would be morally justified to assasinate all leaders of the revolution?

i'm sorry if my US history class doesn't cover the french revolution.

your historical inaccuracies are astounding.

and your debating skills leave something to be wanted.

for example: i never said JFK was planning an assasination. i said his assasination could be justified by his sponsorship of terrorist groups and thier attempts to overthrow legitamate governments.

the difference between you and me is very representative of the difference between liberals and conservatives.

you believe your opinion, like what is a tyrant and what is not, is absolutely right.

i believe people have different opinions so i cannot be sure which one is right.
 
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post Jul 31 2006, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 28 2006, 7:26 PM) *
haha.

nice. in depth.

if you do not know US history, then don't tell me that the US hasn't plotted assasinations. come back when you've at least gone over the communist era. without a shit state funded textbook, by the way, those things are just political tools.

but since you said you've covered up to WWII, you would know that in the american revolution, the "patriots" were terrorists, by today's standards, right?

and thus, it would be morally justified to assasinate all leaders of the revolution?

i'm sorry if my US history class doesn't cover the french revolution.

your historical inaccuracies are astounding.

and your debating skills leave something to be wanted.

for example: i never said JFK was planning an assasination. i said his assasination could be justified by his sponsorship of terrorist groups and thier attempts to overthrow legitamate governments.

the difference between you and me is very representative of the difference between liberals and conservatives.

you believe your opinion, like what is a tyrant and what is not, is absolutely right.

i believe people have different opinions so i cannot be sure which one is right.



Ok, first off I don't have a shit state-funded textbook..... it's a lecture class taught by Dr. Anne Carroll with the help of the husband Dr. Warren H. Carroll....... Everything they teach comes directly from their research notes..... We have been doing World History anyway...... American History is a seperate course which I start next year, so my knowleged on governments conspiracyies of this country is quite limited...... Second, you seem to be under the misconception that terrorist meets the definition of tyrant........ The patriots in the revelution were terroriss by today's standards, yes...... but the thing was that they had to be clearly tyrranical........ same idea applies with your JFK point......... Now this is where it gets complicated....... there is no subjectivity in the definition of tyrant...... the definition of a tyrant is not an opinion, it is a fact...... The opinion comes in when you try to label someone as a tyrant, because what one person sees as oppression, another may see as liberation....... BUT, I believe that there are certain things which cross the border of all opinion into clearly being seen as wrong, even by the person taking that action........ things like a holocaust...... the senseless murder of thousnds of men women and children...... things like punishing a country by locking people inside a city and then setting that city on fire........ just to make a point....... There are just certain actions which human nature denotes to be cruel, unusual, and wrong...... It would be those actions which would denote a person as clearly tyrranical.....
 
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post Aug 3 2006, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jul 31 2006, 3:34 PM) *
Ok, first off I don't have a shit state-funded textbook..... it's a lecture class taught by Dr. Anne Carroll with the help of the husband Dr. Warren H. Carroll....... Everything they teach comes directly from their research notes..... We have been doing World History anyway...... American History is a seperate course which I start next year, so my knowleged on governments conspiracyies of this country is quite limited...... Second, you seem to be under the misconception that terrorist meets the definition of tyrant........ The patriots in the revelution were terroriss by today's standards, yes...... but the thing was that they had to be clearly tyrranical........ same idea applies with your JFK point......... Now this is where it gets complicated....... there is no subjectivity in the definition of tyrant...... the definition of a tyrant is not an opinion, it is a fact...... The opinion comes in when you try to label someone as a tyrant, because what one person sees as oppression, another may see as liberation....... BUT, I believe that there are certain things which cross the border of all opinion into clearly being seen as wrong, even by the person taking that action........ things like a holocaust...... the senseless murder of thousnds of men women and children...... things like punishing a country by locking people inside a city and then setting that city on fire........ just to make a point....... There are just certain actions which human nature denotes to be cruel, unusual, and wrong...... It would be those actions which would denote a person as clearly tyrranical.....



the simple fact that you disagree with me proves my point.
 

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simx   Assassinating a dictator   Nov 23 2005, 09:54 PM
tweeak   Yes, it certainly can be justified, depending on h...   Nov 23 2005, 11:23 PM
ermfermoo   I hate how people always think of dictators as evi...   Nov 23 2005, 11:31 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Nov 23 2005, 11:31 PM)Sadda...   Nov 24 2005, 02:07 AM
vash1530   QUOTE(mipadi @ Nov 24 2005, 2:07 AM)The dicta...   Nov 27 2005, 11:39 PM
sovietski   If he is your dictator or shall we say your ruler ...   Nov 24 2005, 12:22 AM
vash1530   if someone decided that assassinating a dictator i...   Nov 24 2005, 12:26 AM
RiC3xBoy   It depends, a dictator is just someone who has abs...   Nov 24 2005, 12:33 AM
sheridan_whiteside   I doubt that an assassination would be very effect...   Dec 6 2005, 10:10 PM
SkaironFrenzy   only when they take the lives of countless people....   Dec 11 2005, 01:16 AM
Ajmalhuuss   Murdur can never be justified. If we decide to mu...   Jun 27 2006, 02:17 PM
ECD & C0   QUOTEMurdur can never be justified in some ways i...   Jun 29 2006, 09:19 PM
Sumiaki   QUOTEMurdur can never be justified I disagree. Ca...   Jun 29 2006, 10:48 PM
dtang4   It can be easily justified, especially if one life...   Jun 30 2006, 09:21 PM
Paradox of Life   ^ But it's against the law. Murder is against ...   Jul 2 2006, 09:30 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   It's very justified depends on the dictator...   Jul 2 2006, 06:56 PM
sakaitone   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jul 2 2006, 7...   Jul 3 2006, 12:35 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sakaitone @ Jul 2 2006, 10:35 PM) K...   Jul 3 2006, 03:30 AM
sakaitone   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jul 3 2006, 4...   Jul 3 2006, 01:34 PM
sadolakced acid   is the dictator cute, hot, and a woman? if so, th...   Jul 3 2006, 02:17 AM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2006, 2:17 ...   Jul 3 2006, 05:44 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2006, 3:44 ...   Jul 3 2006, 04:51 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jul 3 2006, 4...   Jul 3 2006, 07:09 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2006, 5:09 ...   Jul 3 2006, 09:22 PM
sakaitone   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jul 3 2006, 5...   Jul 4 2006, 12:38 PM
Statues/Shadows   Was Hitler hot?   Jul 3 2006, 07:26 PM
sadolakced acid   hitler wasn't hot. but it's beside the ...   Jul 3 2006, 09:39 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   actually, he was a women. one of his balls were n...   Jul 4 2006, 01:52 AM
sadolakced acid   that doesn't make him a woman. and he wasn...   Jul 4 2006, 01:53 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   yes. i'm a little sweetheart ;]   Jul 6 2006, 09:41 PM
sadolakced acid   err... my requirements for not killing a dictator...   Jul 6 2006, 10:05 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   too bad. there's no sense of fairness and demo...   Jul 7 2006, 07:06 PM
ghetosmurph   The assasination of a dictator is moral if all of ...   Jul 15 2006, 10:55 AM
sadolakced acid   no assasination attempt is ever moral, no matter h...   Jul 15 2006, 10:26 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 15 2006, 8:26...   Jul 16 2006, 04:41 AM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 15 2006, 11:2...   Jul 16 2006, 12:19 PM
forza   I have to agree with him ^ on this one. Blindsidin...   Jul 16 2006, 04:29 AM
sadolakced acid   how do you know you're right, and he's wro...   Jul 16 2006, 11:02 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2006, 12:0...   Jul 17 2006, 02:21 PM
sadolakced acid   war is just when you're the morally right part...   Jul 17 2006, 07:05 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2006, 8:05...   Jul 18 2006, 12:30 PM
sadolakced acid   tell me one war in which the winning side was wron...   Jul 18 2006, 04:20 PM
ghetosmurph   I gave you an example.... Sulieman and the muslims...   Jul 20 2006, 11:21 AM
sadolakced acid   i don't call that a victory.   Jul 20 2006, 12:01 PM
ghetosmurph   Whatever, you asked for an example where the winni...   Jul 20 2006, 06:08 PM
sadolakced acid   morally wrong becuase you are on the "losing ...   Jul 20 2006, 09:03 PM
ghetosmurph   no, morally wrong because their own religion consi...   Jul 21 2006, 10:35 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 15 2006, 8:26...   Jul 22 2006, 03:24 PM
sadolakced acid   killing and assasinating are rather different, in ...   Jul 23 2006, 08:27 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 23 2006, 9:27...   Jul 24 2006, 07:06 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 23 2006, 6:27...   Jul 25 2006, 02:17 AM
sadolakced acid   nothing can ever be morally justified because mora...   Jul 25 2006, 01:05 AM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 25 2006, 2:05...   Jul 25 2006, 03:50 PM
sadolakced acid   1) bob is clearly tyrranical, imposing christian ...   Jul 26 2006, 01:31 AM
ghetosmurph   1) Imposing certain standards (Christian or non) c...   Jul 28 2006, 12:08 AM
sadolakced acid   [quote name='ghetosmurph' date='Jul 28...   Jul 28 2006, 02:21 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 28 2006, 3:21...   Jul 28 2006, 05:33 PM
sadolakced acid   haha. nice. in depth. if you do not know US ...   Jul 28 2006, 06:26 PM
ghetosmurph   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 28 2006, 7:26...   Jul 31 2006, 03:34 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTE(ghetosmurph @ Jul 31 2006, 3:34 PM)...   Aug 3 2006, 09:17 PM
vash1530   easily. the guys a dick so i shoot him. i decided ...   Jul 28 2006, 10:17 PM
ichigofan   assasinating a dictator, hmm hard one. It depends ...   Aug 3 2006, 02:23 PM
ghetosmurph   But I didn't disagree with you...... I agreed ...   Aug 4 2006, 09:48 AM
sadolakced acid   that's what i'm trying to say. nothing ev...   Aug 5 2006, 01:07 AM


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