macs suck., pcs rule. Options

[sadolakced acid]

well, really, it's just a friendly mac v pc thread, and i know it's been posted before, but really, more people will click here if i name it 'macs suck'

my beef with macs-

i used mac OS way back when. bad experiences. not too much a legitimate reason today, but a reason none the less.

but the major one:

proprietary.

i don't know about now, but i know before that everything apple makes, they make it proprietary if they can.

for example, a PC owner can easily upgrade thier optical drive. they could pop in some more memory, or add in a new sound card.

now, sure, mac hardware may be good already, but you won't deny it's not the best, that would be much too expensive.

and as time goes by, it means the only way to upgrade is with a totally new computer.

i mean, sure, it works fine for people who don't want to be bothered to upgrade thier computers, and for the average user, macs are probably pretty good.

but i can't be hassled to buy a new comptuer if i want a CD burner and don't have one.

now, maybe apple has changed and i'm not up with the times. but irregardlessly, i severly dislike and avoid any company that insists on proprietary measures at any time.

which is why i do, and probably always will, hate apple.

[*mipadi*]

I don't see what's objectionable about that specific commercial. Apple is emphasizing the "fun" and creative things you can do with Macs out of the box, stuff like editing movies, recording/editing your own music, taking, editing, and organizing photos, that kind of stuff. It's simply a fact that most PC's don't come with that sort of stuff. There isn't really a good "clone" of iMovie or Garageband that is also free (and Windows Movie Maker can't hold a candle to iMovie). On the Windows side, you have Google's Picasa as an alternative to iPhoto, but the key is that you have to find it yourself—it doesn't come with the PC. It's simply a fact that often PC's are bundled with "bread and butter"-type apps: apps that are necessary (like MS Office, Quicken, and so forth), but not really "fun". Apple's just emphasizing its "fun" apps. I don't see how that's more repulsive than other companies emphasizing the highlights of their own products.

The key is market. You noted that you don't find a Mac to be fun because it can't run the latest games. Apple's clearly not targeting gamers with that ad. They're targeting the moms and dads of the world who might find it "fun" to make a movie of little Johnnie's developmental highlights, or record little Suzie playing her clarinet. Those types of people do spend a lot of time just doing "boring" stuff with their PCs, but playing the latest games isn't really any more exciting for them. Apple's not targeting the gamer enthusiasts; in fact, with those ads, they're not even targeting computer enthusiasts at all, because the code hackers, developers, and computer junkies don't care about that stuff, either. For example, I quickly removed Garageband from my computer because it was too damn big and I never used it.

And at any rate, the Apple commercials themselves are just supposed to be fun. I think a lot of PC users tend to take them too seriously. Of course, maybe I'm missing something. What do you find hateful about that commercial?

[*kryogenix*]

I don't see what's objectionable about that specific commercial. Apple is emphasizing the "fun" and creative things you can do with Macs out of the box, stuff like editing movies, recording/editing your own music, taking, editing, and organizing photos, that kind of stuff. It's simply a fact that most PC's don't come with that sort of stuff. There isn't really a good "clone" of iMovie or Garageband that is also free (and Windows Movie Maker can't hold a candle to iMovie). On the Windows side, you have Google's Picasa as an alternative to iPhoto, but the key is that you have to find it yourself—it doesn't come with the PC. It's simply a fact that often PC's are bundled with "bread and butter"-type apps: apps that are necessary (like MS Office, Quicken, and so forth), but not really "fun". Apple's just emphasizing its "fun" apps. I don't see how that's more repulsive than other companies emphasizing the highlights of their own products.

If I remember correctly, Apple never mentioned out of the box functionality in that specific commercial. I did see another Apple commercial with the two guys sitting in cardboard boxes, but that was a different commercial.

The key is market. You noted that you don't find a Mac to be fun because it can't run the latest games. Apple's clearly not targeting gamers with that ad. They're targeting the moms and dads of the world who might find it "fun" to make a movie of little Johnnie's developmental highlights, or record little Suzie playing her clarinet. Those types of people do spend a lot of time just doing "boring" stuff with their PCs, but playing the latest games isn't really any more exciting for them. Apple's not targeting the gamer enthusiasts; in fact, with those ads, they're not even targeting computer enthusiasts at all, because the code hackers, developers, and computer junkies don't care about that stuff, either. For example, I quickly removed Garageband from my computer because it was too damn big and I never used it.

And that's why I won't buy a Mac. Their products are not marketed to me, which justifies me not wanting to buy a mac desktop. Laptops are a different story though, since I don't consider laptops as a cost effective gaming platform.

And at any rate, the Apple commercials themselves are just supposed to be fun. I think a lot of PC users tend to take them too seriously. Of course, maybe I'm missing something. What do you find hateful about that commercial?

The commercial is misleading, as I mentioned earlier. It's likely that the intended market of moms and dads may not be able to see through it (though I question why they would use a young hipster to target the market of moms and dads), but maybe you can understand why I'm put off by this particular ad. But hey, if it convinces moms and dads to buy apple, that's what really matters to Apple's stock price.