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Should the US make new nukes?
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post Jun 14 2006, 08:02 AM
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Labs Compete to Make New Nuclear Bomb

The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the San Francisco Bay area and the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico are competing to design the nation's first new nuclear bomb in two decades.

Scientists at both facilities are working around the clock on plans that will be presented to the Nuclear Weapons Council, a federal panel that oversees the nation's nuclear weapons. The council will choose a winner later this year.

"I have had people working nights and weekends," said Joseph Martz, the head of the Los Alamos design team. "I have to tell them to go home. I can't keep them out of the office."

Congress approved the new bomb, known as the reliable replacement warhead, with bipartisan support in 2005 as part of a defense spending bill. The weapon would, by law, have the same explosive power as existing warheads.

Proponents of the project say the U.S. would lose its so-called "strategic deterrent" unless it replaces its aging arsenal of about 6,000 bombs, which will become potentially unreliable within 15 years. A new, more reliable weapon, they say, would help the nation reduce its stockpile.

Critics say the project could trigger a new arms race with Russia and China, and undercut arguments that countries such as Iran and North Korea must stop their nuclear programs.

The United States and Russia signed a treaty in 2002 calling for the countries to each cut nuclear inventories to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads by 2012.

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Should the US invest in new nuclear weapons, or could this possible trigger a new arms war with Russia and/or China?
 
 
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post Jul 9 2006, 02:41 PM
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I understand that legally, there are certain treaties forbidding some nations from having nuclear weapons. I'm asking the question in the context of morals and ethics. Are these treaties even ethical or fair? Why or why not?

It's difficult to discuss ethics and justice in an abstract, philosophical sense. In international relations, when different nations have different agendas, compromises that may not be absolutely logical or "fair" must be made in order to maintain global security. Yes, from a logical perspective, the NPT isn't fair. How can we allow certain nations to have nuclear weapons and deny other nations the right to possess them?

But practically speaking, when the NPT was created, none of the five nations in possession of nuclear weapons were willing to sacrifice them. Requiring disarmament would lead to a diplomatic deadlock, and nothing would be accomplished. Thus, the NPT aims at preventing further proliferation in exchange for gradual disarmament of the nuclear weapon states. Is it fair? No. Is it practical? Yes.

However, there are certain aspects of the NPT that I believe should be modified or expanded, including the mandate of the IAEA, retribution for withdrawal, and measures ensuring that the nuclear weapon states are committing to eventual disarmament of their nuclear arsenals. I'm not in any way an expert on the NPT, so I don't know how to practically go about making these changes, but I do think that they are necessary in order to ensure the effectiveness of the NPT.

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It doesn't seem fair....treaties are meant to supply PEACE, not who can have nukes and who can't. This is so 2nd grade. A second grader has 2 cupcakes, and she has two friends who both want a cupcake. Of course, she wants one for herself since it's hers, she gets it but who should get the other one? The one that's nicer to her or the one who has been her friend longer? The reasonable answer is cut the cupcake in half. But how are the countries going to cut the amount of nukes into even amounts. Not everyone is willing to share... So I really don't think it's fair, they should all have the same amount of nukes and I hope it would be a small amount.

Sure, that system works out when you're distributing frosting-covered cupcakes.. but not necessarily if you're dealing with deadly weapons. First of all, realize that some governments are essentially dangerous. Their decision-making processes are centralized, and their officials are often corrupt enough to sell nuclear material to non-governmental bodies, including terrorist groups. Secondly, it *sounds* logical to distribute nuclear weapons evenly throughout the international community, but this solution ignores the structure if our global system. Giving all nations the ability to possess nuclear weapons would create fear and instability and would certainly topple any sense of unity or security.

Realize that international relations is all about practicality and feasibility.. not necessarily "fairness".
 

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mipadi   Should the US make new nukes?   Jun 14 2006, 08:02 AM
kryogenix   I think that if are to produce new nuclear weapons...   Jun 14 2006, 08:35 AM
Uronacid   I think we should try and keep other countries fro...   Jun 14 2006, 01:04 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jun 14 2006, 2:04 PM) I ...   Jun 14 2006, 01:15 PM
Uronacid   because, we have to be #1... ever heard of the say...   Jun 14 2006, 01:29 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jun 14 2006, 2:29 PM) be...   Jun 14 2006, 01:38 PM
ermfermoo   How can we improve our country if we get blown awa...   Jun 14 2006, 06:32 PM
sakaitone   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jun 14 2006, 2:29 PM) be...   Jun 18 2006, 10:55 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   i believe U.S should have their own private set of...   Jun 14 2006, 04:51 PM
zomgznoway   NO. Why invest money in weapons we're never g...   Jun 14 2006, 06:06 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(zomgznoway @ Jun 14 2006, 7:06 PM) ...   Jun 14 2006, 09:25 PM
mipadi   At what point, though, do we say we have enough we...   Jun 15 2006, 07:30 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 15 2006, 8:30 AM) At w...   Jun 15 2006, 02:50 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 15 2006, 3:50 PM) T...   Jun 15 2006, 04:33 PM
zomgznoway   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 15 2006, 7:30 AM) At w...   Jun 16 2006, 01:59 PM
marzipan   QUOTE(zomgznoway @ Jun 16 2006, 1:59 PM) ...   Jun 18 2006, 10:03 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(zomgznoway @ Jun 16 2006, 2:59 PM) ...   Jun 19 2006, 07:59 AM
sakaitone   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 19 2006, 8:59 AM) W...   Jun 19 2006, 07:27 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sakaitone @ Jun 19 2006, 8:27 PM) D...   Jun 20 2006, 02:15 PM
magicfann   doesnt matter if u nuke china, we have so many ppl...   Jun 15 2006, 12:40 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(magicfann @ Jun 15 2006, 1:40 PM) d...   Jun 15 2006, 12:41 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(magicfann @ Jun 15 2006, 10:40 AM) ...   Jun 20 2006, 01:10 AM
sakaitone   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jun 20 2006, 2...   Jun 20 2006, 05:11 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(sakaitone @ Jun 20 2006, 6:11 PM) Y...   Jun 21 2006, 09:28 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(sakaitone @ Jun 20 2006, 3:11 PM) Y...   Jun 21 2006, 04:53 PM
Angelina Taylor   I just feel so sorry for the world, and all those ...   Jun 19 2006, 09:14 AM
Crich323   I say no. I mean, what's the point besides try...   Jun 19 2006, 03:06 PM
The Nocturnal Phantom   Even if the U.S. were to make new nukes, they woul...   Jun 19 2006, 03:11 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(The Nocturnal Phantom @ Jun 19 2006, 4...   Jun 19 2006, 11:48 PM
sakaitone   OK look, if I am offending by any means I am sorry...   Jun 21 2006, 09:08 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... i was testing his knowledge w...   Jun 22 2006, 12:12 AM
magicfann   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jun 22 2006, 1...   Jul 5 2006, 08:04 AM
Spiritual Winged Aura   QUOTE(magicfann @ Jul 5 2006, 6:04 AM) uh...   Jul 6 2006, 09:39 PM
sakaitone   It's really hard to get through what you'r...   Jun 22 2006, 02:28 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   i dont see you as a slow person ... oh well. Chin...   Jun 22 2006, 06:14 PM
sakaitone   You would think so...but no. Not China. New York. ...   Jun 23 2006, 09:15 PM
innovation   First of all, we're not debating the morality ...   Jun 24 2006, 07:44 PM
mipadi   I understand that legally, there are certain treat...   Jun 27 2006, 02:51 PM
sakaitone   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 27 2006, 3:51 PM) I un...   Jul 1 2006, 11:22 PM
NinjaxMageLayouts   No the us should not make nukes and we should try ...   Jul 4 2006, 05:29 AM
snak3y3z1001   QUOTE(NinjaxMageLayouts @ Jul 4 2006, 6:2...   Jul 4 2006, 12:31 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   ......... so ? we have the checks and balance cra...   Jul 4 2006, 06:24 AM
BabypeachesLR   QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Jul 4 2006, 6...   Jul 4 2006, 09:41 AM
sakaitone   QUOTE(BabypeachesLR @ Jul 4 2006, 10:41 A...   Jul 4 2006, 12:15 PM
NinjaxMageLayouts   QUOTE(sakaitone @ Jul 4 2006, 12:15 PM) W...   Jul 5 2006, 12:30 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(NinjaxMageLayouts @ Jul 5 2006, 1:3...   Jul 5 2006, 12:35 PM
snak3y3z1001   ^^ if that was true dont you think we be dead by n...   Jul 5 2006, 07:42 AM
kryogenix   Heck even several atomic explosions would not dest...   Jul 5 2006, 02:35 PM
ECD & C0   QUOTEI think we should try and keep other countrie...   Jul 7 2006, 07:43 PM
BrandonSaunders   War by atrition is the way of the future. *LoL* S...   Jul 8 2006, 03:14 AM
I Shot JFK   Brandon! hi.   Jul 8 2006, 09:03 AM
Chad_man   The UN should give every contry in the world nukes...   Jul 8 2006, 06:23 PM
innovation   QUOTEI understand that legally, there are certain ...   Jul 9 2006, 02:41 PM
cashmere deer   I think this has to be the easiest topic on here b...   Jul 18 2006, 11:36 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(cashmere deer @ Jul 19 2006, 12:36 ...   Jul 23 2006, 07:00 PM
innovation   ^ It's not that simple.   Jul 19 2006, 04:43 PM
cashmere deer   Of course it is. Have we not already reached the p...   Jul 19 2006, 06:10 PM
iRock cB   ^I'm not in constant fear. I think the majorit...   Jul 19 2006, 07:32 PM
cashmere deer   Wow, you just contradicted the hell out of yoursel...   Jul 19 2006, 08:41 PM
iRock cB   ^ Wow. I don't even think I have to say anythi...   Jul 21 2006, 11:53 PM
cashmere deer   I am not arguing that weapons did in fact create l...   Jul 24 2006, 01:36 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(cashmere deer @ Jul 24 2006, 2:36 P...   Jul 24 2006, 04:35 PM
medic   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 24 2006, 4:35 PM) W...   Jul 24 2006, 04:40 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(medic @ Jul 24 2006, 5:40 PM) There...   Jul 24 2006, 04:47 PM
medic   There is no need to make new Nukes. The US never r...   Jul 24 2006, 01:53 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(medic @ Jul 24 2006, 2:53 PM) The U...   Jul 24 2006, 02:09 PM
medic   QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 24 2006, 2:09 PM) Elec...   Jul 24 2006, 04:12 PM
innovation   QUOTEOf course it is. Have we not already reached ...   Jul 24 2006, 03:58 PM
innovation   This thread is dying.. or at least getting a bit t...   Jul 27 2006, 09:40 PM
cashmere deer   QUOTE(innovation @ Jul 27 2006, 7:40 PM) ...   Jul 27 2006, 10:21 PM
innovation   You can't call something "common sense...   Aug 3 2006, 02:21 PM
coldricesux426   I don't think US should make nukes, it would o...   Aug 4 2006, 01:36 AM


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