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 May 25 2006, 12:15 PM
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 Jake - The Unholy Trinity / Premiscuous Poeteer.  Group: Member Posts: 1,272 Joined: May 2006 Member No: 411,316  |
Now, when I say environmentalism, I'm dealing with the rainforest and what not. How do you guys feel about it? What's your stance on this topic?
If there has already been a thread about this, then whatever. |
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Jun 12 2006, 06:02 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
it's not a straw man.
el nino is part of the environment. we don't understand el nino. sure, people research it. but according to wikipedia, there are six major theories, all viable. the point i'm trying to make is: how do you know what's good for the environment? You can't just assume- that's what they did with wolves and forest fires. data is lacking. concrete evidence is lacking. theories are abundant. which one do you follow? i'm not saying pollute away. i'm saying, untill we understand the environment better, we should be wary of attempts to "save the environment". because the cure could be worse than the disease. we just don't know. |
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Jun 13 2006, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 7:02 PM)  it's not a straw man. el nino is part of the environment. we don't understand el nino. sure, people research it. but according to wikipedia, there are six major theories, all viable. the point i'm trying to make is: how do you know what's good for the environment? You can't just assume- that's what they did with wolves and forest fires. data is lacking. concrete evidence is lacking. theories are abundant. which one do you follow? i'm not saying pollute away. i'm saying, untill we understand the environment better, we should be wary of attempts to "save the environment". because the cure could be worse than the disease. we just don't know. Once again, I ask: How is reducing CO2 emissions going to hinder the environment? Just because scientists don't know how El Niño works, doesn't mean they don't understand how carbon dioxide builds up in the atmosphere. So I point out again: Cutting emissions isn't going to hurt the environment, but not cutting them might. I'd go with the safer bet. |
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JakeKKing Environmentalism May 25 2006, 12:15 PM
mipadi I like to do what I can to protect the environment... May 25 2006, 12:19 PM JakeKKing Okay, about the trees. When people cut them down t... May 25 2006, 12:35 PM
mipadi QUOTE(JakeKKing @ May 25 2006, 1:35 PM) O... May 26 2006, 07:21 AM
Smoogrish QUOTE(JakeKKing @ May 25 2006, 1:35 PM) O... Jun 11 2006, 07:28 PM Spirited Away The consequences of hurting forests and and rainfo... May 25 2006, 02:50 PM JakeKKing Absolutely. The planet is a precious thing. I thin... May 25 2006, 11:14 PM Ox_Su`Zie I think its good to a certain point. Like its not ... May 29 2006, 06:05 PM Spiritual Winged Aura Yes. We should preserved rainforest just like pres... May 30 2006, 07:23 PM yummy_delight Of course, it's right.
Since humans are the ... May 30 2006, 08:59 PM Paradox of Life And what argument could someone possibly have to s... May 31 2006, 04:25 PM sadolakced acid michael, have you read "state of fear" b... Jun 1 2006, 10:50 PM mipadi I have not read it. In fact, this is the first I h... Jun 2 2006, 12:15 AM sadolakced acid it provides a different view of enviromentalism. ... Jun 2 2006, 05:09 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 2 2006, 6:09 ... Jun 11 2006, 11:04 PM sadolakced acid when the glaciers from the last ice age receeded, ... Jun 11 2006, 11:03 PM sadolakced acid but what exactly are the effects of global warming... Jun 11 2006, 11:05 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 12:0... Jun 11 2006, 11:11 PM sadolakced acid surface tempuratures.
here's the catch.
glob... Jun 11 2006, 11:18 PM mipadi I think your explanation is a bit simplistic, and ... Jun 11 2006, 11:28 PM sadolakced acid i really suggest you read "state of fear... Jun 11 2006, 11:40 PM mipadi There's two things I'm not understanding:Y... Jun 11 2006, 11:45 PM sadolakced acid why did they have to be reintroduced?
because the... Jun 11 2006, 11:52 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 12:5... Jun 11 2006, 11:59 PM sadolakced acid certainly attempts to limit pollution can cause no... Jun 12 2006, 12:10 AM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 1:10... Jun 12 2006, 12:52 AM sadolakced acid carbon is most prevalently found in carbon dioxide... Jun 12 2006, 07:00 AM marzipan QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 12 2006, 7:00... Jun 13 2006, 09:14 PM mipadi You're definitely in the minority if you'r... Jun 12 2006, 08:34 AM sadolakced acid im not saying we dont' need a limit. i'm ... Jun 12 2006, 12:35 PM mipadi I'm not a meteorologist, Justin, and unlike mo... Jun 12 2006, 12:39 PM Spiritual Winged Aura sadolakced acid, i wouldnt blame nature for global... Jun 13 2006, 02:55 AM sadolakced acid and i ask:
how do you know that reducing CO2 emmi... Jun 13 2006, 03:40 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2006, 4:40... Jun 13 2006, 09:09 PM sadolakced acid ^ that's how el nino forms.
but what triggers... Jun 13 2006, 11:24 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 12:2... Jun 14 2006, 12:16 AM sadolakced acid really now?
mayhaps you could site a source... Jun 14 2006, 12:35 AM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 1:35... Jun 14 2006, 07:01 AM sadolakced acid you're assuming things.
CO2 doesn't trap ... Jun 14 2006, 02:33 PM mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 14 2006, 3:33... Jun 15 2006, 07:35 AM sadolakced acid mayhaps you should do the same.
CO2 is not a blan... Jun 15 2006, 07:33 PM rawr SOCK QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2006, 4:40... Sep 26 2006, 05:22 PM mipadi In a nutshell, solar engine from the sun is able t... Jun 15 2006, 09:04 PM sadolakced acid generally right, but your description of it as a b... Jun 15 2006, 09:17 PM mipadi The atmosphere blocks thermal radiation, which has... Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM sadolakced acid blocks?
like, it reflects heat back like the fros... Jun 15 2006, 09:23 PM mipadi I wouldn't use the word "reflect", b... Jun 15 2006, 09:25 PM mipadi Global Temperature Highest in Millennia
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