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Mr. Slowjamz
post May 24 2006, 12:56 PM
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what do you think it says....if so obvious.
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blink.gif i just heard about this sh*t- some kind of genetic disorder that reduced oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood. And instead of red blood, blue people have brown blood
 
 
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Mr. Slowjamz
post May 24 2006, 01:11 PM
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what do you think it says....if so obvious.
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The disorder is called Methemoglobin and there are people known as fugates in Kentucky - who over a century of isolation and inbreeding- became blue skinned. Look it up

Background: Methemoglobinemia is a condition in which the iron within hemoglobin is oxidized from the ferrous (Fe2+) state to the ferric (Fe3+) state, resulting in the inability to transport oxygen and carbon dioxide. Clinically, this condition causes cyanosis, often posing a diagnostic dilemma.

Methemoglobinemia in children usually results from exposure to oxidizing substances (such as nitrates or nitrites, aniline dyes, or medications including lidocaine, prilocaine, Pyridium, and others), or it is the result of inborn errors of metabolism (especially glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency and cytochrome b5 oxidase deficiency) or severe acidosis, which impairs the function of cytochrome b5 oxidase.


Pathophysiology: Hemoglobin molecules are tetrameric and contain iron within a porphyrin heme structure. The iron moiety in hemoglobin normally exists in the ferrous state Fe2+ in both oxyhemoglobin and deoxyhemoglobin and is capable of binding reversibly with oxygen only in this (ferrous) state. The oxidation of iron to the ferric state Fe3+ results in the formation of methemoglobin, which alters absorption and causes a brownish discoloration of the blood.

In healthy children, the ferric iron in methemoglobin is readily reduced to the ferrous state primarily through the function of cytochrome b5 oxidase (also referred to as methemoglobin reductase), which is present in erythrocytes and other cells. Patients who are deficient in cytochrome b5 reductase are particularly prone to methemoglobinemia, especially when exposed to oxidizing medications and other chemicals, including nitrates, nitrites, prilocaine and lidocaine, nitric oxide, and aniline dyes. Because methemoglobin is incapable of reversibly binding and transporting oxygen or carrying carbon dioxide, if it is present in significant amounts, methemoglobinemia can result in impaired oxygen delivery to (and carbon dioxide removal from) all tissue beds.

Cyanosis is commonly caused by either an excess of deoxygenated hemoglobin (usually in amounts >5 g/dL) or significant amounts of abnormal hemoglobins such as methemoglobin (>1.5 g/dL) or sulfhemoglobin (>0.5 g/dL), resulting in a grayish-bluish coloration of the skin and mucous membranes. Because the absolute amount of deoxygenated or abnormal hemoglobin rather than its percentage is required for cyanosis to be clinically evident, patients with moderate-to-severe anemia may not appear cyanotic, even with elevated percentages of deoxygenated or abnormal hemoglobins.

In healthy individuals, ongoing red blood cell exposure to a variety of oxidizing agents produces small amounts of methemoglobin; however, the concentration of methemoglobin (as a fraction of total hemoglobin) is maintained below 1% by a reduction enzyme system (mainly cytochrome b5 along with nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide [NADH] reductase), with additional protection provided by other systems including glutathione reductase and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase. Methemoglobinemia occurs if the rate of oxidation is increased significantly and overwhelms the protective and reductive capacities of the cells, the structure of hemoglobin is altered and is resistant to reduction, or the rate of reduction of methemoglobin is decreased.

Methemoglobinemia may be acquired or congenital.


Acquired methemoglobinemia

Acquired methemoglobinemia is more common than congenital forms. Exposure to oxidant drugs and toxins in amounts that exceed the enzymatic reduction capacity of red blood cells precipitates symptoms of methemoglobinemia.

Acquired methemoglobinemia is more frequent in premature infants and infants younger than 4 months. The following factors may have a role in the higher incidence in this age group:

Hereditary methemoglobinemias may be divided into 2 categories, methemoglobinemia due to an altered form of hemoglobin (hemoglobin M) and enzyme deficiency (NADH reductase deficiency) that decreases the rate of reduction of iron in the hemoglobin molecule. Four types of hereditary methemoglobinemias are secondary to deficiency of NADH cytochrome b5 reductase. All are autosomal recessive disorders. Heterozygotes have 50% enzyme activity and no cyanosis. Homozygotes that have elevated methemoglobin levels above 1.5% have clinical cyanosis.


Type I: This is the most common variant, and the enzyme deficiency is limited to the erythrocytes causing cyanosis.

Type II: Widespread deficiency of the enzyme occurs in various tissues, including erythrocytes, liver, fibroblasts, and brain. It is associated with severe central nervous symptoms, including encephalopathy, microcephaly, hypertonia, athetosis, opisthotonus, strabismus, and mental and growth retardation. Cyanosis is evident at an early age.

Type III: Although the hemopoietic system (platelets, RBCs, white cells including lymphocytes and granulocytes) is involved, the only clinical consequence is cyanosis.

Type IV: Similar to type I, this type has isolated involvement of the erythrocytes, but it results in chronic cyanosis.
Deficiency of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADPH)–flavin reductase can also cause methemoglobinemia.

An amino acid substitution in or near the heme pocket affects the heme-globin bond, and the hemoglobin molecule becomes more stable in the oxidized form, resisting reduction. Several variants of hemoglobin M have been described, including hemoglobin Ms, hemoglobin MIwate, hemoglobin MBoston, hemoglobin MHyde Park, and hemoglobin MSaskatoon. These are usually autosomal dominant in nature. Alpha chain substitutions cause cyanosis at birth, whereas those in the beta chain become clinically apparent in infants aged 4-6 months.


Frequency:
In the US: Exact incidence is not known.
Internationally: Exact incidence is not known.


Mortality/Morbidity:

Patients with congenital methemoglobinemia are generally asymptomatic other than cyanosis. Life expectancy is normal unless the methemoglobin level is above 25-40%.
Acquired methemoglobinemia is usually mild but may be severe and rarely fatal, depending upon the cause.
Age: Hereditary forms appear early in life. Young infants, especially infants aged 3-4 months, are more susceptible to acquired methemoglobinemia.




CLINICAL Section 3 of 10
Author Information Introduction Clinical Differentials Workup Treatment Medication Follow-up Miscellaneous Bibliography
Physical:

Congenital methemoglobinemia

These patients are described as being more blue than sick.
Patients appear cyanotic with a diffuse slate-gray appearance.

Cyanosis is more easily observed on the nose, cheeks, fingers, toes, and in the mucous membranes, including the fundi, and it may be unrecognized for a long time in patients with more heavily pigmented skin. Clubbing is absent.

Methemoglobin levels of 10-20% are tolerated with no clinical symptoms, whereas levels of 30-40% may be associated with headaches and dyspnea, especially on exertion.

Patients with hemoglobin M disease with the alpha chain variant can present at birth with cyanosis, while patients with the beta chain variants present in the later half of infancy.
Causes:

Acquired: Exposure to various drugs or toxins may result in acquired methemoglobinemia. These include the following:

Nitrites
Aniline dyes
Silver nitrate
Nitroprusside
Antimalarials

Local anesthetics, such as Benzocaine, prilocaine, and lidocaine, particularly when applied to mucosa, such as during bronchoscopy, or after repeated cutaneous exposure to eutectic mixture of lidocaine-prilocaine (EMLA® cream) over a short period of time

Nitric and nitrous oxides
Vegetables (eg, spinach, beets, carrots) inadequately cooked or contaminated with bacteria

Hereditary: This may be due to the deficiency of NADH cytochrome b5 reductase or NADPH-flavin reductase or the presence of hemoglobin M.

An arterial blood sample from a patient with methemoglobinemia is characteristically chocolate brown. Blood that is cyanotic or dark in color due to cardiopulmonary disease turns red on exposure to oxygen, whereas blood with methemoglobin does not. A quick and easy bedside test is to bubble 100% oxygen in the tube containing the dark blood. If the blood remains dark, it most likely is due to the presence of methemoglobin.

Another simple test is to place 1-2 drops of patient blood on white filter paper, then evaluate for color change upon exposure to oxygen (this test can be accelerated by gently blowing supplemental oxygen onto the filter paper). Deoxygenated hemoglobin changes from dark red/violet to bright red, while methemoglobin remains brown.

Serum methemoglobin levels greater than 1% are considered abnormal, although higher levels are commonly encountered in smokers (and patients with long-term exposure to second-hand smoke). Symptomatic individuals usually have levels greater than 40-50%.

Serum levels of nitrites or other offending drugs may be determined.
NADH reductase levels should be checked.

The blood is exposed to light using a small probe placed on a finger or toe.

Light at wavelengths of 660 nm and 940 nm are used, and the ratio of absorption of light at each of these wavelengths is converted into oxygen saturation using calibration curves.

In a patient with methemoglobinemia, the severity of the cyanosis does not correspond to the pulse oximetry reading. The patient may appear extremely cyanotic but have a pulse oximetry reading in the high 80s...

if you want to read the rest of it, here's the link

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1432.htm
 

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xiMiJix   Are Blue People Real ????   May 24 2006, 12:56 PM
Kristinaa   And where did you hear about this "sh*t...   May 24 2006, 01:01 PM
xiMiJix   QUOTEThe disorder is called Methemoglobin and ther...   May 24 2006, 01:11 PM
Kristinaa   Alright. It sounds legit. We haveblue blood. If...   May 24 2006, 01:34 PM
L!ckitySplit   dem Blue folk wont fit in our society if i have an...   May 24 2006, 01:40 PM
wayne   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ May 24 2006, 2:4...   May 28 2006, 12:36 PM
Kristinaa   Well, when you become ruler of the world then mayb...   May 24 2006, 01:42 PM
mipadi   Incidentally, the condition described above is als...   May 24 2006, 01:43 PM
Kristinaa   QUOTE(mipadi @ May 24 2006, 1:43 PM) And ...   May 24 2006, 01:49 PM
I Shot JFK   hmm. see, now i thought from looking at it that th...   May 24 2006, 01:47 PM
Ox_Su`Zie   WTF thats like f**king scary looking at yourself b...   May 24 2006, 01:50 PM
I Shot JFK   QUOTE(Ox_Su`Zie @ May 24 2006, 7:50 P...   May 24 2006, 01:51 PM
yanners   QUOTE(Ox_Su`Zie @ May 25 2006, 2:50 A...   May 25 2006, 12:54 AM
L!ckitySplit   i think they're aliens, and shall be stoned   May 24 2006, 01:52 PM
No Fear   Uh, blue blood? Cool.   May 24 2006, 01:52 PM
StanleyThePanda   Thats... interesting.   May 24 2006, 02:01 PM
L!ckitySplit   i shall call them bliggers   May 24 2006, 02:01 PM
Paulusch   yo listen up here's a story about a little guy...   May 24 2006, 02:40 PM
Kristinaa   I LOVE THAT SONG! I WAS LISTENING TO IT 5 MINU...   May 24 2006, 03:14 PM
Arjuna Capulong   I use to listen to that song all the time when I w...   May 24 2006, 03:25 PM
Comik_knerd   Dude well i never heard about it??? sounds odd??   May 24 2006, 03:31 PM
oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo   Its as real as your face :-)   May 24 2006, 03:56 PM
incoherent   QUOTE(oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo @ May 24 2006, 3...   May 24 2006, 04:01 PM
mona lisa   QUOTE(incoherent @ May 24 2006, 5:01 PM) ...   May 24 2006, 06:14 PM
incoherent   QUOTE(mona lisa @ May 24 2006, 6:14 PM) N...   May 24 2006, 08:21 PM
mona lisa   QUOTE(incoherent @ May 24 2006, 9:21 PM) ...   May 25 2006, 06:15 PM
yanners   QUOTE(mona lisa @ May 26 2006, 7:15 AM) N...   May 27 2006, 07:25 AM
mona lisa   QUOTE(yanners @ May 27 2006, 8:25 AM) Wha...   May 27 2006, 07:24 PM
_sarcastic_   i actually learned about it in biology class last ...   May 24 2006, 04:35 PM
kylovin06   Yup, its true. I learned about it junior year in B...   May 24 2006, 05:38 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   wow. they should be astronut or space TRAVELER ...   May 24 2006, 06:21 PM
Smoogrish   That's pretty weird, but really cool!   May 24 2006, 06:24 PM
Girthy   Brown colored blood? Im curious to see what color ...   May 24 2006, 06:28 PM
xmoon_lightx   weirdo-ish?   May 24 2006, 07:04 PM
×__Elle.   Aww man, that's creepy. It makes me feel ill.....   May 25 2006, 08:33 AM
oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo   I wasen't trying to be smart.. im just saying....   May 25 2006, 06:32 PM
ROARxD   Is there a picture of how these blue people look l...   May 27 2006, 08:53 AM
marzipan   that's the strangest thing i've ever heard   May 27 2006, 09:17 AM
magnificentmike   How can you live without oxygen?   May 28 2006, 12:42 PM
yanners   ^ What are you talking about   May 28 2006, 09:27 PM
magnificentmike   Well is says something about them having a reduced...   May 28 2006, 09:59 PM
yanners   Well everyone dies eventually, but even with a sma...   May 28 2006, 10:03 PM
magnificentmike   I mean die like soon. But alright, I was just wond...   May 28 2006, 10:09 PM
Smoogrish   They might be more.. drowsy. Something like that, ...   May 29 2006, 02:32 PM


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