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How many of you feel like you are highly educated on our government? Do you feel like imperialism has dominated the inner-workings of our government and it is the interest of top corporations that reign supreme over the interests of the people nowadays? What are your feelings on the Wolfowitz Doctrine? I'm sorry for all the questions but recently I have devoted time to trying to uncover the other side of our war policies and it's startled me. I feel like our nation has been misled greatly by the inentions of our government. I saw in another post that someone said only 28 civilians were killed so far this year or something like that? Fallujah was a massacre!! Soldiers were told any person walking was an enemy target, and this is from the first hand testimony of a soldier himself. Don't take this as an anti-american rant because I love our country, yet I feel there are flaws within our country, mainly foreign policies. 9/11 was a pain inflicted by our own country! If you are offended by this I'm sorry, but all the facts point to this conclusion. What are your feelings on the government, and how did you reach these feelings?

well I hope I didn't scare away any potential debaters if this is a subject over your heads, or hopefully you debaters are just gathering up your ammo by doing research which I encourage, because this is not a subject to come mis-informed on.

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This post has been edited by Smoogrish: Apr 13 2006, 07:14 PM

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CrackedRearView - Please don't start assuming the likeness between our views. Judging how I stand on politics based off our shared distaste in Bush and view on corporate influence is silly and I hope you really didn't read too much into it. We could be alike, this is possible, but regardless you shouldn't make assertions about someone you know little of.







Falsifying attacks on our country is not a new strategy employed by the United States. The sinking of USS Maine is an example of just this. If you're knowledged on the Mexican-American war, then you should know that this is another example. Yes, 3000 people mercilessly lost their lives in the planned collapse of not 3 buildings, not 2, and I'm sorry if it is so logically impossible for you to grasp, but it is really not too difficult. 9/11 gave our government leeway to do things they never would have been able to do before. We invaded Iraq for WMD, which of course were never found; the Patriot Act was implemented, which I don't see ever passing without 9/11; anytime Bush faces criticism, he is relentless in bringing up 9/11 in his addresses to the public. There are quotes, yes quotes - as in the people actually said the words, of d**k Cheney and others making statements regarding the value of controlling oil in the East. Yet, I guess quotes from government officials fall under "biased information" in your book, so maybe they shouldn't be considered.




I fail to see the importance of your breakdown of the debate forum and your friends, keep to the subject, you can PM me with any other waste.







Do you realize the repercussions of a newspaper such as the NY Times or Washington Post running a story on 9/11 fraud? Don't tell me you would really believe one would choose to run such an incriminating story with the event so fresh. The emotional backlash of readers would be felt nation wide, I don't think its a risk worth taking yet. Give it time though as this 9/11 truth movement is something that I think will gain national attention in the near future.



Above all however, you truly fail to address any of the problems in 9/11 that I asked. Cell phone calls are said to have been made by passengers on the plane. Many cell phone companies have verified it is impossible for phones to work 30,000 ft in the air. The 3rd building falls from fire, the first recording collapse due to fire in history. These are FACTS. I'm not sure where the bias comes in here. Accused hijackers have been found alive. A person who crashes a plane into a building would probably die. Steel is melted in the WTC towers, which is one reason for the building collapsing. Steel melts at a specific temperature, and it is scientifically impossible for jet fuel to reach the needed temperature to melt steel. Impossible. As in, its not my opinion that jet fuel couldn't reach these temperatures, its fact.





After each of the previous attacks falsifyed by our government, the US annexed land. A lot of the southern parts of Cali, Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico were gained as a result of the Mexican-American War. Parts of Cuba were hoped to be free by the gov't after the USS Maine. As we stand now, there are still troops in Afghanistan (oh I hope you didn't forget!) as well as Iraq - which is raises questions itself about why we are still there.





Well since 911busters.com isn't worthy enough. Check out 911truth.org. "Exercise your intelligence" by doing some reading.

[*I Shot JFK*]

CrackedRearView - Please don't start assuming the likeness between our views. Judging how I stand on politics based off our shared distaste in Bush and view on corporate influence is silly and I hope you really didn't read too much into it. We could be alike, this is possible, but regardless you shouldn't make assertions about someone you know little of.

Falsifying attacks on our country is not a new strategy employed by the United States. The sinking of USS Maine is an example of just this. If you're knowledged on the Mexican-American war, then you should know that this is another example. Yes, 3000 people mercilessly lost their lives in the planned collapse of not 3 buildings, not 2, and I'm sorry if it is so logically impossible for you to grasp, but it is really not too difficult. 9/11 gave our government leeway to do things they never would have been able to do before. We invaded Iraq for WMD, which of course were never found; the Patriot Act was implemented, which I don't see ever passing without 9/11; anytime Bush faces criticism, he is relentless in bringing up 9/11 in his addresses to the public. There are quotes, yes quotes - as in the people actually said the words, of d**k Cheney and others making statements regarding the value of controlling oil in the East. Yet, I guess quotes from government officials fall under "biased information" in your book, so maybe they shouldn't be considered.
I fail to see the importance of your breakdown of the debate forum and your friends, keep to the subject, you can PM me with any other waste.

Do you realize the repercussions of a newspaper such as the NY Times or Washington Post running a story on 9/11 fraud? Don't tell me you would really believe one would choose to run such an incriminating story with the event so fresh. The emotional backlash of readers would be felt nation wide, I don't think its a risk worth taking yet. Give it time though as this 9/11 truth movement is something that I think will gain national attention in the near future.
Above all however, you truly fail to address any of the problems in 9/11 that I asked. Cell phone calls are said to have been made by passengers on the plane. Many cell phone companies have verified it is impossible for phones to work 30,000 ft in the air. The 3rd building falls from fire, the first recording collapse due to fire in history. These are FACTS. I'm not sure where the bias comes in here. Accused hijackers have been found alive. A person who crashes a plane into a building would probably die. Steel is melted in the WTC towers, which is one reason for the building collapsing. Steel melts at a specific temperature, and it is scientifically impossible for jet fuel to reach the needed temperature to melt steel. Impossible. As in, its not my opinion that jet fuel couldn't reach these temperatures, its fact.
After each of the previous attacks falsifyed by our government, the US annexed land. A lot of the southern parts of Cali, Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico were gained as a result of the Mexican-American War. Parts of Cuba were hoped to be free by the gov't after the USS Maine. As we stand now, there are still troops in Afghanistan (oh I hope you didn't forget!) as well as Iraq - which is raises questions itself about why we are still there.
Well since 911busters.com isn't worthy enough. Check out 911truth.org. "Exercise your intelligence" by doing some reading.

sorry, but as someone with a fair amount of knowledge as to the world of journalism, i have to say that you've misjudged a probable response of the newspaper consumer in the event of publishing such a story.

shock sells. people would buy the paper, no matter how upsetting they found it, if it could be backed up with solid facts from creditable sources. the fact that they havent pblished this type of story doesnt indicate a particular sensitivity for the national psyche... it indaicates that their sources would be of so little worth that a political oponent could trash them so thoroughly that they would look foolish for printing the information.

*****

oh, and your secondary source is not much better than the first... its the same conspiracy rubbish.

oh, and if you patronize justin, you'll lose the argument

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