Satanisim, Whats your opinion Options

[I_LiKe_PiRaTeZ]

What is your opinion on being a satanist?
I have been a satanist for 3 years now. & personally think that it is becoming a fad..
with all this nu-metal shyt.. & punk poseurs who think satanisim is just a thing to be fooled with.. i think my religion is being exploited..

[x] DAVe

[sunissed14127]

I'm not against people who are into Satanism, but I don't belive in it. I guess people just do what they wanna do. But yes, It seems like Satanism & Atheism has become a fad.

[NoSex]

But yes, It seems like Satanism & Atheism has become a fad.

Nothing compared to the world's biggest fad ever! Christianity!

[sunissed14127]

Nothing compared to the world's biggest fad ever! Christianity!

I know, a huge majority is Christian, but I'm just saying that many people are saying their into Satanism/Atheism just because they think it's "cool" and what everyone else is doing.

[NoSex]

I know, a huge majority is Christian, but I'm just saying that many people are saying their into Satanism/Atheism just because they think it's "cool" and what everyone else is doing.

Yeah, I know. Heh heh.
It does happen. However, I wouldn't say many people are doing this. The percentage of people that prescribe to atheism or satanism itself is already so small, and the percentage of those atheists and or satanists who have jumped on board just because they want to look cool, I would suspect, has reached rather minimal margins. However, we can't be positive.

But, it does happen, and is apparent. Rather unfortunate. In the end though, I don't think I would go so far as to call either Atheism or Satanism a fad. Maybe Satanism, but definately not Atheism.

[*kryogenix*]

Yeah, I know. Heh heh.
It does happen. However, I wouldn't say many people are doing this. The percentage of people that prescribe to atheism or satanism itself is already so small, and the percentage of those atheists and or satanists who have jumped on board just because they want to look cool, I would suspect, has reached rather minimal margins. However, we can't be positive.

But, it does happen, and is apparent. Rather unfortunate. In the end though, I don't think I would go so far as to call either Atheism or Satanism a fad. Maybe Satanism, but definately not Atheism.

I don't people become athiest or satanist because they're jumping on some bandwagon. I think she means that some people do such things because they don't want to be tied down by rules. It's easier to confrom when you don't have rules.

[NoSex]

I don't people become athiest or satanist because they're jumping on some bandwagon. I think she means that some people do such things because they don't want to be tied down by rules. It's easier to confrom when you don't have rules.

The bandwagon fallacy is also known as an appeal to popularity or the argument from popularity. The problem here is that neither Satanism nor Atheism is popular. Although she is right, people do sometimes delve into these circles to look "cool." I have met quite a few of them. I have also met those who have no idea what they are talking about and their intentions are highly dubious. However, I have never really met either a Satanist or an Atheist who seems to have simply become such because they do not want to be "tied down by rules." I think such an occurance is amazingly rare as well as a highly unsophisticated argument.

It seems like most believers think atheists are either contumacious, insane, crazy, or possessed by demons. Either way, they can't seem to take us that seriously in most cases. But, I guess alot of atheists don't take theists that seriously either... but, that may be because they think we are skeptical just because we "don't want to be tied down by rules."

Also, I don't exactly see how no rules make it easier to "conform?"
Isn't it exactly the other way around?
More rules, and the stricter the rules the more conformity?
Such as; "Dress this way. Act this way. Do this. Do that."

[*kryogenix*]

The bandwagon fallacy is also known as an appeal to popularity or the argument from popularity. The problem here is that neither Satanism nor Atheism is popular. Although she is right, people do sometimes delve into these circles to look "cool." I have met quite a few of them. I have also met those who have no idea what they are talking about and their intentions are highly dubious. However, I have never really met either a Satanist or an Atheist who seems to have simply become such because they do not want to be "tied down by rules." I think such an occurance is amazingly rare as well as a highly unsophisticated argument.

I've met people who no longer practice their religion faithfuly (or change religion) because they don't like the rules. But we're both using anecdotes here.

It seems like most believers think atheists are either contumacious, insane, crazy, or possessed by demons. Either way, they can't seem to take us that seriously in most cases. But, I guess alot of atheists don't take theists that seriously either... but, that may be because they think we are skeptical just because we "don't want to be tied down by rules."

I think atheiests are misguided, but not crazy or posessed. Nor do I think all of those that do not believe in God are motivated by their disdain for His laws. But it's a motivation for some.

Also, I don't exactly see how no rules make it easier to "conform?"
Isn't it exactly the other way around?
More rules, and the stricter the rules the more conformity?
Such as; "Dress this way. Act this way. Do this. Do that."

That's not conformity, that's obedience.

Having no rules makes it easy to do what others are doing because you are not barred from partaking in a certain activity.

We're talking about modern LaVeyan Satanism. Or at least, I think so. In which case, no one is actually worshiping Satan or believes in a Satan as a real being. Satan is more of a metaphorical and sometimes satiricle symbol.

Yet they do his will...

Just a few questions. Satanism is all about pleasing oneself right? What if you indulge yourself in a way that clashes with one of satanims rules? What is the point of Satanism? The way you put it, it seems just like a way to incite anger and rebel. Where do people who disobey the rules of satanism go when they die?

Also, Satan was once an Angel known as Lucifer (which means, pretty much, Bringer of Light). In some theologies Lucifer nearly had control and dominion over all of earth, including us. If you look at the whole thing, it's a power stuggle. Very political. They way I have always thought of it is that Satan and God are both fighting for your votes in a divine election of sorts. Now, don't judge too fast, you have only heard God's side of the story.

So where's the truth in satanism?

If Satan was real, I bet he would be a pretty groovy guy. Not anything like his egotistical meglomanic counterpart, God.

You're definitely joking here.

[NoSex]

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I've met people who no longer practice their religion faithfuly (or change religion) because they don't like the rules. But we're both using anecdotes here.[/quote]

True.

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That's not conformity, that's obedience.[/quote]

Main Entry: con·for·mi·ty
Pronunciation: k&n-'for-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : correspondence in form, manner, or character : AGREEMENT <behaved in conformity with her beliefs>
2 : an act or instance of conforming
3 : action in accordance with some specified standard or authority <conformity to social custom>

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Having no rules makes it easy to do what others are doing because you are not barred from partaking in a certain activity.[/quote]

Which leaves you open to any kind of behavior or activity while rules bar you to specific behavior and activities. You just seem to be disproving your point.

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Yet they [satanists] do his [satan's] will... [/quote]

Even if this was true, it would still be unintentional.

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Satanism is all about pleasing oneself right?[/quote]

Not exactly. It has alot to do with moral and intellectual responsibility. In no was is it strictly hedonistic. If your pleasure is derived from insulting and hurting innocent people, Satanist docrtine would not condone such behavior just because you gain pleasure from it.

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What if you indulge yourself in a way that clashes with one of satanims rules?
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You're not supposed to. That's why there are rules.
That's why it's not all about indulging in oneself and one's pleasures.

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What is the point of Satanism?
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Satanists would think that they are making the world a better place, or at least, a better place for themselves.

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The way you put it, it seems just like a way to incite anger and rebel.[/quote]

They may be the motivation for some, but there is existent intellectual motivation.

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Where do people who disobey the rules of satanism go when they die?
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I bet you are always dieing to use Pascal's wager, huh?
I hope you would be more reasonable than that.

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So where's the truth in satanism?
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I don't think Satanism is about "the truth," or making sweeping statements about "the truth" or about the universe as a whole. However, a Satanist would probably talk to you about rationalistic morality, ethics in general, the poison of most organized religion, human responsibility, and human nature. Remember, I'm not a Satanist, and I think alot of it is utterly needless and kind of silly. But, people have been terribly misunderstood on these forums about the whole thing. Even the people posting after I clear up alot of the misrepresentations are still presenting the same false ideas (i.e. they worship Satan).

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You're definitely joking here.
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Actually, I was being totally serious. Heh heh.

EDIT:::: Why the hell does this QUOTE shit always happen to me?!

[*kryogenix*]

Main Entry: con·for·mi·ty
Pronunciation: k&n-'for-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : correspondence in form, manner, or character : AGREEMENT <behaved in conformity with her beliefs>
2 : an act or instance of conforming
3 : action in accordance with some specified standard or authority <conformity to social custom>

I'm talking connotation here. Conformity is more associated with de facto standards and expectations, such as clothing, hairstyles, etc. It is done in order to fit in. Obedience is done out of respect for a higher authority.

Which leaves you open to any kind of behavior or activity while rules bar you to specific behavior and activities. You just seem to be disproving your point.

Disproving my own point? Perhaps you're misunderstanding. Having a moral guideline prevents one from participating in immoral activities, therefore, hindering one's ability to conform.

Even if this was true, it would still be unintentional.

Yet the practice is in Satan's namesake.

Not exactly. It has alot to do with moral and intellectual responsibility. In no was is it strictly hedonistic. If your pleasure is derived from insulting and hurting innocent people, Satanist docrtine would not condone such behavior just because you gain pleasure from it.

So exactly what is the point of Satanism?

You're not supposed to. That's why there are rules.
That's why it's not all about indulging in oneself and one's pleasures.

What about selfless people? Do satanists condemn them? Sounds contradictory to me.

Satanists would think that they are making the world a better place, or at least, a better place for themselves.

What if making the world a better place for yourself comes at the expense of someone else?

They may be the motivation for some, but there is existent intellectual motivation.

So why not study human psychology instead of subscribing to a cult that doesn't even believe in the being it is named after?

I bet you are always dieing to use Pascal's wager, huh?
I hope you would be more reasonable than that.

Pascal's Wager is one of the weaker arguements when trying to get someone to believe in God.

I was trying to point out how ridiculous Satanism is. Where do you go after you die if you don't subscribe to Satanist beliefs? Heaven?

EDIT:::: Why the hell does this QUOTE shit always happen to me?!

It happens when you overuse the quote tag. Or, you're forgetting to close.

[NoSex]

I'm talking connotation here. Conformity is more associated with de facto standards and expectations, such as clothing, hairstyles, etc. It is done in order to fit in. Obedience is done out of respect for a higher authority.

So, your argument was just based on a vast generalization that nonbelievers don't respect higher authority, and that believers do? Silly.

Disproving my own point? Perhaps you're misunderstanding. Having a moral guideline prevents one from participating in immoral activities, therefore, hindering one's ability to conform.

Not all people living under a moral guideline abstain from "immoral activities."
On top of that, many of these people have adopted their moral guidelines in an act of conformity in the first place.

Yet the practice is in Satan's namesake.

It might as well be satiricle.

So exactly what is the point of Satanism?

I already answered that. Refer to previous posts.

What about selfless people? Do satanists condemn them? Sounds contradictory to me.

They do not condemn, they merely have pitty for them. In many cases, I would imgaine a satanist finding a selfless person to be very foolish.

What if making the world a better place for yourself comes at the expense of someone else?

I already explained that Satanism does not follow a hedonistic philosophy. In general, Satanists abstain from causing harm to others.

So why not study human psychology instead of subscribing to a cult that doesn't even believe in the being it is named after?

Uhhhh? There are alot of reasons, but at this point I just don't think you are willing to or able to listen to them.

Not to mention, Satanism is not a cult. Heck, Catholicism much more closely resembles the definition of a cult.

Pascal's Wager is one of the weaker arguements when trying to get someone to believe in God.

Weaker arguments? It's a fallacious argument.

I was trying to point out how ridiculous Satanism is. Where do you go after you die if you don't subscribe to Satanist beliefs? Heaven?

This in no way points out how ridiculous Satanism may or may not be. Satanists, generally, do not believe in an afterlife. So, if you don't believe or subscribe to Satanist doctrine, you will rot in the ground just like anyone else.