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EriaNight
post Feb 19 2006, 11:00 AM
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Alright it is pretty obvious to me and to most of the world that the content (graphics, blogs, about 75% of everything CB has uses stock photos of actors/actresses/singers/people/etc that the artists didn't take).

This would be all find and dandy and no one would care If a few of us (not mentioning names so people won't get pissed at us) hadn't realized a Few things in the CB submission process.

You guys promote artist right?
And art?

Here is a nice definition of what Copyright Infringment is from Wikipedia
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Copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of copyrighted material in a manner that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works that build upon it....In many jurisdictions, such as the United States, copyright infringement is a strict liability tort or crime.



I Know what CB says about it. For those who do NOT know what CB says about Copyright Infridgement....here it is

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CreateBlog respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. CreateBlog may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, disable and/or terminate the accounts of users who may be repeat infringers. If you believe that your work has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, or your intellectual property rights have been otherwise violated, please provide CreateBlog's Copyright Agent the following information:

* an electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright or other intellectual property interest;
* a description of the copyrighted work or other intellectual property that you claim has been infringed;
* a description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the site;
* your address, telephone number, and email address;
* a statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law;
* a statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your Notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.

Please email claims of copyright or other intellectual property infringement to copyright at createblog dot com.


Now why am I mad? No one really cares if you aren't making money on any of the submissions. I wouldn't either. And you probably aren't. Only differences in the submission TERMSthere is are a few lines that strictly you just can't legally say.

For example...
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By posting or submitting content to CreateBlog, you grant CreateBlog the right to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, distribute, have distributed, and promote the content in any form, anywhere and for any purpose; and warrant and represent that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content and that public posting and use of your content by CreateBlog will not infringe or violate the rights of any third party.

If you contribute layouts, scripts, graphics, tutorials, creative suggestions, ideas, notes, drawings, or other information (collectively, the "Submissions"), the Submissions shall be deemed, and shall remain, the property of CreateBlog. None of the Submissions shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of CreateBlog, and CreateBlog shall not be liable for any use or disclosure of any Submissions. Without limitation of the foregoing, CreateBlog shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights to the Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.


Everything in Red you cannot claim without legally breaking the law. No Person who took the photographs of Rachel Bilson, Kiera Knightley, etc used in about half the layouts ever agreed to these terms! All the layouts with pictures of actors/actresses/etc taken by other people....CANNOT be used commercially no matter what you say! If you want to use the commercially, even if you ask the creator of the layout, that person cannot give you the permission.

I'm not trying to be picky or mean. And most of you will probably shout me down. But CB, you cannot do that. If you support a community of artists, then support the people who actually HAVE it as a JOB and don't say you have commerial rights that you definitely do not have. Sure the "creators of the layout" agreed to this, but you KNOW they probably couldn't really and legally agree to it. I know you don't want to be sued and i definitely couldn't sue you and wouldn't because i don't have the time nor really care, but It's wrong to claim that you have commerical rights over something you don't. I bet the reason the layouts aren't even used as "promotional" material is because you know you could get sued.

I'm not trying to be mean. In fact, I'd rather not be. And I understand as an admin on another forum and runner of a graphics site with 2 other CB members that it takes work and time. I just think you should change your terms a little so that your MEMBERS don't get in TROUBLE with the law?? stubborn.gif
 
 
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Retrogressive
post Feb 19 2006, 11:30 AM
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Now why am I mad? No one really cares if you aren't making money on any of the submissions. I wouldn't either. And you probably aren't. Only differences in the submission TERMSthere is are a few lines that strictly you just can't legally say.


Actually, I'm not sure if this is correct. But I am assuming CB IS making some cash by using other people's art. Because they are offering graphics and layouts with advertisements on the page. The graphics are why people visit the page and why CB would be getting money from the advertisements because of hits.


Who Can Claim Copyright?
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Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.

In the case of works made for hire, the employer and not the employee is considered to be the author. Section 101 of the copyright law defines a "work made for hire" as:

* (1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or
* (2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as:
o a contribution to a collective work
o a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work
o a translation
o a supplementary work
o a compilation
o an instructional text
o a test
o answer material for a test
o an atlas

if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire....

The authors of a joint work are co-owners of the copyright in the work, unless there is an agreement to the contrary.


Copyright in each separate contribution to a periodical or other collective work is distinct from copyright in the collective work as a whole and vests initially with the author of the contribution.


Okay, as I'm sure many people know who have submitted a submission to CB that they are addressed with a "By clicking on "submit", you agree with the Terms of Use." on the submit button. This means that they are actually agreeing that CB holds their art (and the art of others that they googled for a blend et cetera, which as you pointed out cannot be possible).

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if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire....

The authors of a joint work are co-owners of the copyright in the work, unless there is an agreement to the contrary.

Copyright in each separate contribution to a periodical or other collective work is distinct from copyright in the collective work as a whole and vests initially with the author of the contribution.
Two General Principles

* Mere ownership of a book, manuscript, painting, or any other copy or phonorecord does not give the possessor the copyright. The law provides that transfer of ownership of any material object that embodies a protected work does not of itself convey any rights in the copyright.
* Minors may claim copyright, but state laws may regulate the business dealings involving copyrights owned by minors. For information on relevant state laws, consult an attorney.


Transfering Copyright...?

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Any or all of the copyright owner's exclusive rights or any subdivision of those rights may be transferred, but the transfer of exclusive rights is not valid unless that transfer is in writing and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or such owner's duly authorized agent. Transfer of a right on a nonexclusive basis does not require a written agreement.

A copyright may also be conveyed by operation of law and may be bequeathed by will or pass as personal property by the applicable laws of intestate succession.

Copyright is a personal property right, and it is subject to the various state laws and regulations that govern the ownership, inheritance, or transfer of personal property as well as terms of contracts or conduct of business. For information about relevant state laws, consult an attorney.

Transfers of copyright are normally made by contract. The Copyright Office does not have any forms for such transfers. The law does provide for the recordation in the Copyright Office of transfers of copyright ownership. Although recordation is not required to make a valid transfer between the parties, it does provide certain legal advantages and may be required to validate the transfer as against third parties. For information on recordation of transfers and other documents related to copyright, request Circular 12, "Recordation of Transfers and Other Documents."


Now as the bolded goes I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure a clickable button is not a signed agreement between anyone. If someone has further evidence for or otherwise please provide.

So... What's Protected?

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Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine or device. Copyrightable works include the following categories:

1. literary works;
2. musical works, including any accompanying words
3. dramatic works, including any accompanying music
4. pantomimes and choreographic works
5. pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
6. motion pictures and other audiovisual works
7. sound recordings
8. architectural works

These categories should be viewed broadly. For example, computer programs and most "compilations" may be registered as "literary works"; maps and architectural plans may be registered as "pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works."


So... What's NOT Protected?



Now, this piqued my interest...
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Several categories of material are generally not eligible for federal copyright protection. These include among others:

*

Works that have not been fixed in a tangible form of expression (for example, choreographic works that have not been notated or recorded, or improvisational speeches or performances that have not been written or recorded)
*

Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring; mere listings of ingredients or contents
*

Ideas, procedures, methods, systems, processes, concepts, principles, discoveries, or devices, as distinguished from a description, explanation, or illustration
*

Works consisting entirely of information that is common property and containing no original authorship (for example: standard calendars, height and weight charts, tape measures and rulers, and lists or tables taken from public documents or other common sources)


But WAIT Cb's terms say...

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If you contribute layouts, scripts, graphics, tutorials, creative suggestions, ideas, notes, drawings, or other information (collectively, the "Submissions"), the Submissions shall be deemed, and shall remain, the property of CreateBlog. None of the Submissions shall be subject to any obligation of confidence on the part of CreateBlog, and CreateBlog shall not be liable for any use or disclosure of any Submissions. Without limitation of the foregoing, CreateBlog shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights to the Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.


That's interesting...

Universal Ownership...?

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There is no such thing as an "international copyright" that will automatically protect an author's writings throughout the entire world. Protection against unauthorized use in a particular country depends, basically, on the national laws of that country. However, most countries do offer protection to foreign works under certain conditions, and these conditions have been greatly simplified by international copyright treaties and conventions. For further information and a list of countries that maintain copyright relations with the United States, request Circular 38a, "International Copyright Relations of the United States."


CB:

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Submissions of every kind and nature throughout the universe and shall be entitled to unrestricted use of the Submissions for any purpose whatsoever, commercial or otherwise, without compensation to the provider of the Submissions.


Well, I'm no lawyer and I'm not the encyclopedia for copyright infringement. But since this post has raised some questions regarding such, I'd really like to see the response. wacko.gif

Resource: http://www.copyright.gov/
 

Posts in this topic
EriaNight   Copyright Infringement   Feb 19 2006, 11:00 AM
Retrogressive   QUOTENow why am I mad? No one really cares if you ...   Feb 19 2006, 11:30 AM
drilotedahl   Ok I think Ill say that your nuts.... If we didn...   Feb 19 2006, 11:54 AM
Retrogressive   QUOTE(drilotedahl @ Feb 19 2006, 12:54 PM...   Feb 19 2006, 11:56 AM
EriaNight   drilotedahl ---- well....you do realize it's...   Feb 19 2006, 11:56 AM
drilotedahl   I would doubt that the goverment or anyone else wo...   Feb 19 2006, 11:59 AM
Retrogressive   QUOTE(drilotedahl @ Feb 19 2006, 12:59 PM...   Feb 19 2006, 12:01 PM
EriaNight   QUOTE(drilotedahl @ Feb 19 2006, 10:59 AM...   Feb 19 2006, 12:02 PM
Retrogressive   QUOTE(drilotedahl @ Feb 19 2006, 12:59 PM...   Feb 19 2006, 12:15 PM
sadolakced acid   what cB can do is put the responsibility on the in...   Feb 19 2006, 12:22 PM
Retrogressive   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 19 2006, 1:22...   Feb 19 2006, 12:26 PM
EriaNight   sadolakced acid --- that's asking a lot of th...   Feb 19 2006, 12:26 PM
add1cted2f1re   well, my take on this is that cB is liable, yes, b...   Feb 19 2006, 03:28 PM
Spiritual Winged Aura   ^ True. i just dont understand them or ... even re...   Feb 19 2006, 03:36 PM
Zatanna   Um... if we were to actually take to heart everyth...   Feb 19 2006, 05:27 PM
Madame C   ^ Ditto to everything Zatanna just said. And, E...   Feb 19 2006, 05:49 PM
EriaNight   QUOTE(Madame C @ Feb 19 2006, 4:49 PM) ^ ...   Feb 19 2006, 07:50 PM
Heathasm   QUOTEactually you're wrong. Scanning is consid...   Feb 19 2006, 07:56 PM
add1cted2f1re   arguing wont get anywhere. we all know WHAT the l...   Feb 19 2006, 07:58 PM
gigiopolis   QUOTE(add1cted2f1re @ Feb 19 2006, 4:58 P...   Feb 19 2006, 08:23 PM
EriaNight   QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Feb 19 2006, 7:23 PM) ...   Feb 19 2006, 08:34 PM
Libertie   QUOTE(EriaNight @ Feb 19 2006, 7:34 PM) G...   Feb 19 2006, 08:44 PM
EriaNight   QUOTE(Libertie @ Feb 19 2006, 7:44 PM) Th...   Feb 19 2006, 08:49 PM
EriaNight   thanks matt, i agree.... but the POINT i keep TR...   Feb 19 2006, 08:03 PM
DaTru KataLYST   Yes yes. Feel the anger run through you! LoL...   Feb 19 2006, 08:05 PM
EriaNight   OH MY GOD READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE YOU POST. *...   Feb 19 2006, 08:22 PM
DaTru KataLYST   Ma'am, that was very rude to ignore me. Ple...   Feb 19 2006, 08:26 PM
add1cted2f1re   omg people. what she is trying to say is that yes...   Feb 19 2006, 08:36 PM
mzkandi   Awwww...someone sounds mad.....   Feb 19 2006, 08:36 PM
Madame C   But then, your forum isn't big enough to warra...   Feb 19 2006, 08:37 PM
add1cted2f1re   QUOTE(Madame C @ Feb 19 2006, 8:37 PM) Bu...   Feb 19 2006, 08:39 PM
EriaNight   DaTru KataLYST----we did give a reference....go ba...   Feb 19 2006, 08:38 PM
EriaNight   QUOTE(EriaNight @ Feb 19 2006, 7:38 PM) D...   Feb 19 2006, 08:41 PM
mipadi   Question: Is anyone here a copyright lawyer? Copy...   Feb 19 2006, 08:40 PM
Retrogressive   Okay, first of all. This thread is not to bring th...   Feb 19 2006, 08:44 PM
Madame C   ^ But we're not getting money for it.   Feb 19 2006, 08:46 PM
mipadi   Alright, let's stop sniping at each other. I...   Feb 19 2006, 08:47 PM
Kristinaa   * Napster * We should take this to the supreme co...   Feb 19 2006, 08:47 PM
mzkandi   EXACTLY....   Feb 19 2006, 08:48 PM
mzkandi   Alright!! Enough!!! We will ha...   Feb 19 2006, 08:49 PM


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