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the importance of truth
peanutbutterbbb
post May 20 2004, 03:26 PM
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For all of the anti-theists here -- what is the importance of capital 'T' Truth? That is, is there any defendable reason why truth is inherently better than illusion? About which nothing can be said, why is nothing better than something?
 
 
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post May 20 2004, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:56 PM)
Hm.. so if I were to brainwash everyone into thinking that their sole purpose in life was to serve me, would it not be important that they realize the truth? I mean.. isnt that the entire point of science? to find the real truth? I mean.. just thinking about it now.. I guess since you're more of a debater, the illusion might be more important to you so you can manipulate ppl or something, lol but for science, isnt the actual truth and understanding the more important thing?

Oh and my name's Eric btw.. I dont know who Winston is

Winston is a reference to 1984. I'm playing Devil's Advocate here.

In 1984, the Oppressive Dictatorship Government re-writes history -- like the Bush Administration is doing now (they are making Reagan out to be a Bushie, when in fact Reagan, while influenced by neo-Cons, was not a neo-con and used much more restrained foreign policy) -- and basically said that the Truth is what the Party wanted it to be. They deleted history basically by destroying the records and brainwashing people.

Winston is the main character in the novel.
 

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peanutbutterbbb   the importance of truth   May 20 2004, 03:26 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:26 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:28 PM
peanutbutterbbb   truth as in, why must you have concrete evidence t...   May 20 2004, 03:29 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:29 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:41 PM
peanutbutterbbb   yeah, but that's not my question though -- my ...   May 20 2004, 03:45 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 4:29 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:45 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
Spirited Away   Truth matters because, I don't want to believe...   May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
juliar   Because it's like learning. You can take guess...   May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:48 PM)Tr...   May 20 2004, 03:49 PM
peanutbutterbbb   ^ Exactly! Is there any access to truth at al...   May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
juliar   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 3:49 PM)But h...   May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(juliar @ May 20 2004, 3:52 PM)Notice. B...   May 20 2004, 03:53 PM
peanutbutterbbb   What may be truth to you may not be truth to anoth...   May 20 2004, 03:54 PM
ComradeRed   If no one believes the Holocaust took place, and a...   May 20 2004, 03:57 PM
Spirited Away   Well the question originally asked why believing i...   May 20 2004, 03:59 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:59 PM)We...   May 20 2004, 04:00 PM
Kathleen   Um...okay...O'Brian. Anywho, numbers aren...   May 20 2004, 04:05 PM
cornflakes   Truth is nothing more than a state of mind in whic...   May 20 2004, 04:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 4:00 PM)But i...   May 20 2004, 04:07 PM
cornflakes   There is no truth, it is all in our mind.   May 20 2004, 04:08 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEThere is no truth, it is all in our mind....   May 20 2004, 04:48 PM
Kathleen   So, going back to the actual topic...because we ch...   May 20 2004, 05:15 PM
juliar   Grawr this is so confusing. SO this will be my las...   May 20 2004, 05:33 PM
Kathleen   That's what I believe, Julia, but they're ...   May 20 2004, 05:37 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 20 2004, 4:05 PM)Um...ok...   May 20 2004, 05:41 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTETruth is usually something set in stone, some...   May 20 2004, 05:48 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 5:48 PM)So...   May 20 2004, 06:19 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEMight it be true? Yes. But if everyone thinks...   May 20 2004, 06:24 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:24 PM)Ho...   May 20 2004, 06:40 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEYes you can prove something is true DOWN THE ...   May 20 2004, 06:44 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:44 PM)It...   May 20 2004, 06:50 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEBut if everyone thinks something is true, the...   May 20 2004, 06:56 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:56 PM)Hm...   May 20 2004, 07:00 PM
EmeraldKnight   erm... I'm confused now.. what are you trying ...   May 20 2004, 07:03 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:03 PM)er...   May 20 2004, 07:06 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEOk to be brutually honest, I agree with you, ...   May 20 2004, 07:13 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:13 PM)lo...   May 20 2004, 07:18 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEhaha I liked 1984. It depends on if you get i...   May 20 2004, 07:20 PM
angel-roh   QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 20 2004, 3:37 PM)That...   May 22 2004, 07:27 AM
ROARxD   truth matters beacuse if there werent truth; then ...   May 7 2005, 10:25 PM
rOckThISshYt   I think there is truth behind some things and you ...   May 7 2005, 11:14 PM
XoJennaoX   haha...i really forgot which philosopher said this...   May 8 2005, 06:11 PM


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