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Guns, who should be able to own them? |
| *NatiMarie* |
May 17 2004, 10:40 PM
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We all know that guns can cause harm, they're everywhere darnit!
Primarily, who can own them? Who shouldn't own them? |
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May 20 2004, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:05 PM) Well when we do need it, we can lift the ban I'm still not sure what you mean.. How are they starting to oppress us? So what you're basically stating is that its important for us to have guns so that we can revolt against the government if it comes down to it? Where are you getting this? Well if the government because oppressive enough, what makes you think they WILL lift the ban? Where am I getting this?? Declaration of Independence: "That to secure these rights [life, liberty, pursuit of happiness], governments are instituted among men. That whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to set aside new guards for their future security." What do you think abolishing the government means? Declaration of Independence continues: "But when a long train of absues and usurpatins, pursuing invaraibly the same object, evinces a design to reduce the people under absolute despotism, it is their RIGHT, it is their DUTY, to throw off such government..." Our country was founded on the Premise that people have an inalienable right to overthrow their government. That's exactly what we did. The Constitution: "A well-regulated militia being vital to the security of a free state, the right of hte people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..." Back when the Constitution was written, the militia meant ALL adult males in the population, and the purpose of the militia was to FIGHT THE ARMY. The militia was NOT designed to protect against foreign invaders, it was designed to protect against the ARMY and the GOVERNMENT. That's why militias were NEVER given to federal control, but rather were controlled locally. Further, James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, explains the Second Amendment and its purpose in the Federalist Papers: "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." The Right to Bear Arms was designed to prevent oppressive government and to ensure that people had the means to overthrow their government if it came down to that. My ideas come from the ideas that founded America. Fairly credible. |
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NatiMarie Guns May 17 2004, 10:40 PM
Spirited Away i want one...
but i would get rid of it once i h... May 17 2004, 10:45 PM
tkproduce I think the United States made a mistake in legali... May 18 2004, 02:21 AM
RiddleMeWonders Hell, I own a gun. I don't know, this subject... May 18 2004, 02:24 AM
waccoon i say no, because then shootings would get out of ... May 18 2004, 04:36 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ May 17 2004, 10:40 PM)We al... May 18 2004, 02:20 PM
FlyingFries QUOTEI think the United States made a mistake in l... May 18 2004, 02:28 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(FlyingFries @ May 18 2004, 2:28 PM)it w... May 18 2004, 02:33 PM
rivendell QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:21 AM)I thin... May 18 2004, 02:51 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 2:33 PM)In br... May 18 2004, 03:09 PM
tkproduce So how many people in America have used guns in th... May 18 2004, 03:15 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:15 PM)So how... May 18 2004, 04:25 PM
tkproduce QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 9:25 PM)Peopl... May 19 2004, 02:10 AM
EmeraldKnight Hm.. I dont realli have too much of an issue on th... May 19 2004, 02:13 AM
honorguard Hey! I own a gun. That is if you count paintba... May 19 2004, 03:03 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 19 2004, 2:10 AM)Is tha... May 19 2004, 05:57 AM
onenonly101 QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 2:20 PM)Anyon... May 19 2004, 07:09 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 19 2004, 7:09 AM)Thos... May 19 2004, 02:27 PM
WildGriffin QUOTEIn America, people are presumed innocent unti... May 19 2004, 02:30 PM
tkproduce Actually, why are we just talking about America? ... May 19 2004, 04:32 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 19 2004, 4:32 PM)Actual... May 19 2004, 06:08 PM
initial-seven of course.......hehehehe May 19 2004, 06:17 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 19 2004, 6:08 PM)My ar... May 19 2004, 07:51 PM
EmeraldKnight I dont think anybody should own them, save law enf... May 19 2004, 08:25 PM
RiddleMeWonders Okay, this thought has been pending inside me and ... May 19 2004, 09:27 PM
EmeraldKnight But the thing is.. what if you check out alright, ... May 19 2004, 11:11 PM
strice dude, screw guns. guns are only fun in video games... May 19 2004, 11:41 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEdude, screw guns. guns are only fun in video ... May 19 2004, 11:55 PM
strice anyways i'd be too chickenshit to shoot a guy ... May 20 2004, 12:39 AM
tkproduce A lot of people seem to support the illegalisation... May 20 2004, 02:09 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEA lot of people seem to support the illegalis... May 20 2004, 02:16 AM
tkproduce QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:16 AM)be... May 20 2004, 11:22 AM
Jiggapin0 Guns should only be held by law enforcement and mi... May 20 2004, 11:47 AM
immersion31 QUOTEGuns should only be held by law enforcement a... May 20 2004, 12:29 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(RiddleMeWonders @ May 19 2004, 9:27 PM)... May 20 2004, 12:52 PM
RiddleMeWonders Those people are only there because "we... May 20 2004, 12:57 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(RiddleMeWonders @ May 20 2004, 12:57 PM... May 20 2004, 01:15 PM
krnxswat I have guns.
One on my right arm, and the other on... May 20 2004, 02:00 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(krnxswat @ May 20 2004, 2:00 PM)I have ... May 20 2004, 02:14 PM
RiddleMeWonders QUOTEPeople have to beware of collective nouns lik... May 20 2004, 02:48 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEBesides.
It's your choice who the "i... May 20 2004, 04:52 PM
Kathleen Okay, let's think about this scenario: say we ... May 20 2004, 05:32 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEOkay, let's think about this scenario: sa... May 20 2004, 05:42 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 4:52 PM)I ... May 20 2004, 05:44 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEArbitrary Criteria = Criteria that a group of... May 20 2004, 05:50 PM
Kathleen QUOTEOk, I'd agree with you in that scenario, ... May 20 2004, 05:51 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTENo matter what, the chances are still there.
... May 20 2004, 05:55 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 5:50 PM)we... May 20 2004, 06:00 PM
Kathleen Ack, but the thing is...you have to consider the f... May 20 2004, 06:02 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEAck, but the thing is...you have to consider ... May 20 2004, 06:05 PM
EmeraldKnight Dang...do you memorize this stuff?
Alright wel... May 20 2004, 06:18 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:18 PM)Da... May 20 2004, 06:35 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEYou said law enforcement. When the government... May 20 2004, 06:49 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:49 PM)I ... May 20 2004, 06:57 PM
EmeraldKnight Ok... you're starting to scare me.. how much y... May 20 2004, 07:02 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:02 PM)Ok... May 20 2004, 07:05 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEDuring the American Revolution, it was as lit... May 20 2004, 07:07 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:07 PM)Bu... May 20 2004, 07:11 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEIf you look at what's happening in Falluj... May 20 2004, 07:17 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:17 PM)Bu... May 20 2004, 07:23 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEIn the US, the people would still know their ... May 20 2004, 07:34 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:34 PM)An... May 20 2004, 07:39 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThe same results could be achieved with peace... May 20 2004, 07:48 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:48 PM)Bu... May 20 2004, 07:54 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTENo past ... Ten years ago ... Romania. Govern... May 20 2004, 08:13 PM
strice as proven in Bowling For Columbine, it isn't t... May 20 2004, 11:33 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEas proven in Bowling For Columbine, it isn... May 20 2004, 11:35 PM
angel-roh teenagers under 21 of age shud be illegal for gun ... May 22 2004, 07:17 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEteenagers under 21 of age shud be illegal for... May 22 2004, 02:26 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 11:35 PM)Y... May 22 2004, 04:26 PM
Spirited Away I thought that the Columbine kids had made some of... May 22 2004, 04:28 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEWe should have every SIDEARM available to the... May 22 2004, 04:31 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:31 PM)I ... May 22 2004, 04:44 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 22 2004, 4:44 PM)2) I ... May 22 2004, 04:46 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTE1) It's very releveant. The BATF barbecue... May 22 2004, 04:49 PM
x__Elle. It's hard to tell who should and shouldn't... Mar 31 2006, 02:08 PM
sheridan_whiteside Consider the following situation when thinking whe... Apr 3 2006, 09:39 PM
mipadi Do you really have any evidence to back that up? A... Apr 3 2006, 11:27 PM
sheridan_whiteside Warning, Michael. You're gonna get severely sp... Apr 4 2006, 12:28 AM
mipadi QUOTE(sheridan_whiteside @ Apr 4 2006, 1... Apr 4 2006, 08:43 PM
Angelina Taylor NO, by all means we should NOT be able to just ... Apr 4 2006, 06:06 AM
sheridan_whiteside One, citing a tertiary source doesn't exactly ... Apr 4 2006, 10:08 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sheridan_whiteside @ Apr 4 2006, 11... Apr 4 2006, 10:34 PM![]() ![]() |