Guns, who should be able to own them? Options

[*NatiMarie*]

We all know that guns can cause harm, they're everywhere darnit!

Primarily, who can own them? Who shouldn't own them?

[ComradeRed]

well.. why cant they decide on the "competency" with due process of law?

In the context of the USA, due process implies one of two things: An Objective Standard, or a Jury Trial. Neither exist in this situation.

Yes, but consider the chances that a foreign army will invade our soil, its not very likely.. so you're saying that if we ban gun ownership, our government will start to oppress us and foreign armies will invade?

No I'm saying our government is ALREADY starting to oppress us, and people should have guns if it comes down to that. No foreign armies will invade the USA. Historically, the biggest threat to any country, and definitely to ours, is their own government.

Erm.. i didnt realli follow most of it (not much into politics) but:

We need guns? what exactly do our guns do for us?

Guns protect us. Guns enforce the laws. America was FOUNDED by gun nuts. In the Colonial Period, every male over 12 was socially expected to own a rifle AND a pistol. This is how we were able to overthrow the British when they became oppressive and when they began to abandon the Rule of Law.

It is generally accepted that Law Enforcement should have guns. Law Enforcement means the police officers, not just the Courts. The Courts can hand down as many rulings as they want, but it's up to the police to enforce them, right? The police enforce the laws upon the PEOPLE.

But then, who is left to enforce the laws upon the GOVERNMENT? We have the Supreme Court... but what if the government decides not to obey the Supreme Court? Then we need a police force to keep the government in check. This police force is the Population of the United States.

If you want only law enforcement to have guns, then every American should have guns. When it comes down to the worst case, we are the ones who are left to enforce the Constitution, which is, after all, the HIGHEST law of the land.


This isn't about chances, Emerald. There's a 100% Chance the govenrment will break the law (Constitution): THEY ALREADY HAVE. MANY, MANY TIMES.

We can be sure that criminals will break teh law, so we need police to have guns. And we can be sure that the govenrment will, so we need the people to have guns.