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the importance of truth
peanutbutterbbb
post May 20 2004, 03:26 PM
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For all of the anti-theists here -- what is the importance of capital 'T' Truth? That is, is there any defendable reason why truth is inherently better than illusion? About which nothing can be said, why is nothing better than something?
 
 
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post May 20 2004, 05:48 PM
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Truth is usually something set in stone, something that happened. "Tell the truth." Means to tell the facts correctly. I don't think truth is opinion. Truth is fact, and you can go either wrong or right.

Something that happened... but doesnt our knowledge of past events all rely on things others have recorded/left behind? I mean.. things could've happened in the past, but with no knowledge of it, we accept those to be false, and that is a mistake
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If, tomorrow, all record of the Holocaust were destroyed, and everyone forgot about it, then no one could prove it existed. Thus, it would be accurate to say that the Holocaust never happened. Truth is collective perception.

What? I'm confused on your argument.. simply because no evidence exists doesnt mean that it never happened.. thats how science works.. we search for evidence to prove a theory true, just because we havent yet found the evidence doesnt mean that its false... i mean, taking Columbus as a reference.. in his time and before, everyone (excluding him) thought the earth was flat, but that doesnt mean its truth.. truth is undeniable fact.. if i say I'm talking right now, but since you cant hear me, you dont know if its true or not.. thats my whole point.. just because we dont have evidence doesnt mean that its still not true.. it just means that we havent yet found a way to prove it true or false
 

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peanutbutterbbb   the importance of truth   May 20 2004, 03:26 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:26 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:28 PM
peanutbutterbbb   truth as in, why must you have concrete evidence t...   May 20 2004, 03:29 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:29 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:41 PM
peanutbutterbbb   yeah, but that's not my question though -- my ...   May 20 2004, 03:45 PM
waccoon   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 4:29 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:45 PM)...   May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
Spirited Away   Truth matters because, I don't want to believe...   May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
juliar   Because it's like learning. You can take guess...   May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:48 PM)Tr...   May 20 2004, 03:49 PM
peanutbutterbbb   ^ Exactly! Is there any access to truth at al...   May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
juliar   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 3:49 PM)But h...   May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(juliar @ May 20 2004, 3:52 PM)Notice. B...   May 20 2004, 03:53 PM
peanutbutterbbb   What may be truth to you may not be truth to anoth...   May 20 2004, 03:54 PM
ComradeRed   If no one believes the Holocaust took place, and a...   May 20 2004, 03:57 PM
Spirited Away   Well the question originally asked why believing i...   May 20 2004, 03:59 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:59 PM)We...   May 20 2004, 04:00 PM
Kathleen   Um...okay...O'Brian. Anywho, numbers aren...   May 20 2004, 04:05 PM
cornflakes   Truth is nothing more than a state of mind in whic...   May 20 2004, 04:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 4:00 PM)But i...   May 20 2004, 04:07 PM
cornflakes   There is no truth, it is all in our mind.   May 20 2004, 04:08 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEThere is no truth, it is all in our mind....   May 20 2004, 04:48 PM
Kathleen   So, going back to the actual topic...because we ch...   May 20 2004, 05:15 PM
juliar   Grawr this is so confusing. SO this will be my las...   May 20 2004, 05:33 PM
Kathleen   That's what I believe, Julia, but they're ...   May 20 2004, 05:37 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 20 2004, 4:05 PM)Um...ok...   May 20 2004, 05:41 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTETruth is usually something set in stone, some...   May 20 2004, 05:48 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 5:48 PM)So...   May 20 2004, 06:19 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEMight it be true? Yes. But if everyone thinks...   May 20 2004, 06:24 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:24 PM)Ho...   May 20 2004, 06:40 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEYes you can prove something is true DOWN THE ...   May 20 2004, 06:44 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:44 PM)It...   May 20 2004, 06:50 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEBut if everyone thinks something is true, the...   May 20 2004, 06:56 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:56 PM)Hm...   May 20 2004, 07:00 PM
EmeraldKnight   erm... I'm confused now.. what are you trying ...   May 20 2004, 07:03 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:03 PM)er...   May 20 2004, 07:06 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEOk to be brutually honest, I agree with you, ...   May 20 2004, 07:13 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:13 PM)lo...   May 20 2004, 07:18 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEhaha I liked 1984. It depends on if you get i...   May 20 2004, 07:20 PM
angel-roh   QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 20 2004, 3:37 PM)That...   May 22 2004, 07:27 AM
ROARxD   truth matters beacuse if there werent truth; then ...   May 7 2005, 10:25 PM
rOckThISshYt   I think there is truth behind some things and you ...   May 7 2005, 11:14 PM
XoJennaoX   haha...i really forgot which philosopher said this...   May 8 2005, 06:11 PM


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