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Guns, who should be able to own them?
*NatiMarie*
post May 17 2004, 10:40 PM
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We all know that guns can cause harm, they're everywhere darnit!

Primarily, who can own them? Who shouldn't own them?
 
 
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ComradeRed
post May 18 2004, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:15 PM)
So how many people in America have used guns in the appropriate manner?  Self defense from another person with a gun?  Surely that person wouldn't have a gun in the first place if they were banned.


Drugs are banned. Are you saying no one has drugs?

QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:15 PM)
I kind of doubt that ordinary people with handguns would be able to supress the government if they did turn against their people.


It's happenign right now. Look at Fallujah.

And even if they can't stop the government, they'd at least make the government think twice about doing things.

You also NEVER, EVER want to underestimate what citizen-body is capable of doing. We have 300 million people here. If only ONE in TEN own just ordinary handguns, that is easily the most powerful fighting force in teh world.

QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:15 PM)
I understand your argument of WHY guns are legalised in America because it's a "free" country and all that, but does the preparation for the very slight chance that the government might turn the police against their own people outweigh all the crimes that occur because of guns?


People killed by government in the last 100 years: 200 MILLION.
People killed by criminals, terrorists, etc., during that same time: 1.5 MILLION.

It's not a hard choice.

The chance that the government will turn against the people is NOT slight. It's happening today. We're paying taxes DOZENS of times higher than the taxes paid by the Colonials who revolted against the British. Government use of things like the US PATRIOT Act, Selective Service, etc., would not have been tolerated short of violence in an earlier age.

People are sissies now. That's why the government is so big. Back during the Civil War, when the government tried to draft people, they took to the streets in New York and Chicago and got the government to severly limit the draft. Post-Revolution, Shays' and Whiskey Rebellions, though they failed, ensured the election of a Republican government by 1800 that promoted liberty much better than their Federalist predecessors (even the Federalist tax rates were VERY modest by today's standards -- amounting to only about 6% of the average American's income, compared to 57% today).
 

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NatiMarie   Guns   May 17 2004, 10:40 PM
Spirited Away   i want one... but i would get rid of it once i h...   May 17 2004, 10:45 PM
tkproduce   I think the United States made a mistake in legali...   May 18 2004, 02:21 AM
RiddleMeWonders   Hell, I own a gun. I don't know, this subject...   May 18 2004, 02:24 AM
waccoon   i say no, because then shootings would get out of ...   May 18 2004, 04:36 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ May 17 2004, 10:40 PM)We al...   May 18 2004, 02:20 PM
FlyingFries   QUOTEI think the United States made a mistake in l...   May 18 2004, 02:28 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(FlyingFries @ May 18 2004, 2:28 PM)it w...   May 18 2004, 02:33 PM
rivendell   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:21 AM)I thin...   May 18 2004, 02:51 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 2:33 PM)In br...   May 18 2004, 03:09 PM
tkproduce   So how many people in America have used guns in th...   May 18 2004, 03:15 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 18 2004, 3:15 PM)So how...   May 18 2004, 04:25 PM
tkproduce   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 9:25 PM)Peopl...   May 19 2004, 02:10 AM
EmeraldKnight   Hm.. I dont realli have too much of an issue on th...   May 19 2004, 02:13 AM
honorguard   Hey! I own a gun. That is if you count paintba...   May 19 2004, 03:03 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 19 2004, 2:10 AM)Is tha...   May 19 2004, 05:57 AM
onenonly101   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 18 2004, 2:20 PM)Anyon...   May 19 2004, 07:09 AM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 19 2004, 7:09 AM)Thos...   May 19 2004, 02:27 PM
WildGriffin   QUOTEIn America, people are presumed innocent unti...   May 19 2004, 02:30 PM
tkproduce   Actually, why are we just talking about America? ...   May 19 2004, 04:32 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 19 2004, 4:32 PM)Actual...   May 19 2004, 06:08 PM
initial-seven   of course.......hehehehe   May 19 2004, 06:17 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 19 2004, 6:08 PM)My ar...   May 19 2004, 07:51 PM
EmeraldKnight   I dont think anybody should own them, save law enf...   May 19 2004, 08:25 PM
RiddleMeWonders   Okay, this thought has been pending inside me and ...   May 19 2004, 09:27 PM
EmeraldKnight   But the thing is.. what if you check out alright, ...   May 19 2004, 11:11 PM
strice   dude, screw guns. guns are only fun in video games...   May 19 2004, 11:41 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEdude, screw guns. guns are only fun in video ...   May 19 2004, 11:55 PM
strice   anyways i'd be too chickenshit to shoot a guy ...   May 20 2004, 12:39 AM
tkproduce   A lot of people seem to support the illegalisation...   May 20 2004, 02:09 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEA lot of people seem to support the illegalis...   May 20 2004, 02:16 AM
tkproduce   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:16 AM)be...   May 20 2004, 11:22 AM
Jiggapin0   Guns should only be held by law enforcement and mi...   May 20 2004, 11:47 AM
immersion31   QUOTEGuns should only be held by law enforcement a...   May 20 2004, 12:29 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(RiddleMeWonders @ May 19 2004, 9:27 PM)...   May 20 2004, 12:52 PM
RiddleMeWonders   Those people are only there because "we...   May 20 2004, 12:57 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(RiddleMeWonders @ May 20 2004, 12:57 PM...   May 20 2004, 01:15 PM
krnxswat   I have guns. One on my right arm, and the other on...   May 20 2004, 02:00 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(krnxswat @ May 20 2004, 2:00 PM)I have ...   May 20 2004, 02:14 PM
RiddleMeWonders   QUOTEPeople have to beware of collective nouns lik...   May 20 2004, 02:48 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEBesides. It's your choice who the "i...   May 20 2004, 04:52 PM
Kathleen   Okay, let's think about this scenario: say we ...   May 20 2004, 05:32 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEOkay, let's think about this scenario: sa...   May 20 2004, 05:42 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 4:52 PM)I ...   May 20 2004, 05:44 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEArbitrary Criteria = Criteria that a group of...   May 20 2004, 05:50 PM
Kathleen   QUOTEOk, I'd agree with you in that scenario, ...   May 20 2004, 05:51 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTENo matter what, the chances are still there. ...   May 20 2004, 05:55 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 5:50 PM)we...   May 20 2004, 06:00 PM
Kathleen   Ack, but the thing is...you have to consider the f...   May 20 2004, 06:02 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEAck, but the thing is...you have to consider ...   May 20 2004, 06:05 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:05 PM)We...   May 20 2004, 06:12 PM
EmeraldKnight   Dang...do you memorize this stuff? Alright wel...   May 20 2004, 06:18 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:18 PM)Da...   May 20 2004, 06:35 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEYou said law enforcement. When the government...   May 20 2004, 06:49 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 6:49 PM)I ...   May 20 2004, 06:57 PM
EmeraldKnight   Ok... you're starting to scare me.. how much y...   May 20 2004, 07:02 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:02 PM)Ok...   May 20 2004, 07:05 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEDuring the American Revolution, it was as lit...   May 20 2004, 07:07 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:07 PM)Bu...   May 20 2004, 07:11 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEIf you look at what's happening in Falluj...   May 20 2004, 07:17 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:17 PM)Bu...   May 20 2004, 07:23 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEIn the US, the people would still know their ...   May 20 2004, 07:34 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:34 PM)An...   May 20 2004, 07:39 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEThe same results could be achieved with peace...   May 20 2004, 07:48 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 7:48 PM)Bu...   May 20 2004, 07:54 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTENo past ... Ten years ago ... Romania. Govern...   May 20 2004, 08:13 PM
strice   as proven in Bowling For Columbine, it isn't t...   May 20 2004, 11:33 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEas proven in Bowling For Columbine, it isn...   May 20 2004, 11:35 PM
angel-roh   teenagers under 21 of age shud be illegal for gun ...   May 22 2004, 07:17 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEteenagers under 21 of age shud be illegal for...   May 22 2004, 02:26 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 20 2004, 11:35 PM)Y...   May 22 2004, 04:26 PM
Spirited Away   I thought that the Columbine kids had made some of...   May 22 2004, 04:28 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEWe should have every SIDEARM available to the...   May 22 2004, 04:31 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 4:31 PM)I ...   May 22 2004, 04:44 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 22 2004, 4:44 PM)2) I ...   May 22 2004, 04:46 PM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTE1) It's very releveant. The BATF barbecue...   May 22 2004, 04:49 PM
x__Elle.   It's hard to tell who should and shouldn't...   Mar 31 2006, 02:08 PM
sheridan_whiteside   Consider the following situation when thinking whe...   Apr 3 2006, 09:39 PM
mipadi   Do you really have any evidence to back that up? A...   Apr 3 2006, 11:27 PM
sheridan_whiteside   Warning, Michael. You're gonna get severely sp...   Apr 4 2006, 12:28 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(sheridan_whiteside @ Apr 4 2006, 1...   Apr 4 2006, 08:43 PM
Angelina Taylor   NO, by all means we should NOT be able to just ...   Apr 4 2006, 06:06 AM
sheridan_whiteside   One, citing a tertiary source doesn't exactly ...   Apr 4 2006, 10:08 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(sheridan_whiteside @ Apr 4 2006, 11...   Apr 4 2006, 10:34 PM


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