Worst Americans Options

[*kryogenix*]

Who do you believe are the worst Americans of all time?

Be prepared to defend your choices! I'm expecting a lot of "George W. Bush for being a stupid dum dum head," so make sure you can stay and defend your choices.

This is not a concrete list (actually, I'm going to pick some controversial figures for the sake of debate) but here, in no particular order:

FDR- For pretty much becoming a dictator during WWII, not to mention mishandling it.
Nathan Bedford Forrest- For starting the KKK.
Joe McCarthy- For his overzealous crusade against Communism.
U.S. Grant- For being a terribly ineffective president, especially after the Civil War.
Robert McNamara- For mishandling the Vietnam War.
Malcolm X- For undoing what MLK JR III did by supporting violent miltantism.

I can't think of any more bad Americans at the moment, but I'll let you guys have a go.

[stryker76]

Nathan Bedford Forrest- For starting the KKK.
Joe McCarthy- For his overzealous crusade against Communism.

I'd havc to say both. Forrest because well to be honest there will never be and end to Racism. But to do the things that the KKK have done are just plan wrong. Differences between different ethnic groups has been around as long as human kind has walked the earth. It will never be gone it something that people need to learn to deal with pretty much as bad as it is.

And McCarthy because Communism/Socialism isnt really tha bad of a political format if it is done with out corruption(Communism). Without it being corruoted by ppl with that lack will power it isnt that bad and it eliminated Class systems which are a mahor problem with society. But what McCarthy did to those that felt Communism was better was wrong. Beating ppl he thought where communist. Which meant Speaking againt the government or the "Norm" of the time. Wearign nething that was red. Or even some much as havin an opinion that someone else may have not liked. You rights as a human where completely revoked. And the worst part was that the Courts allowed it because it was "War Time." Lame.


Now for my big disagreement. FDR. He Saved this counrty from becoming and othder third world country. If it wasnt for him entering us into WWII after the Japanese attempt at Pacific Domination. We would be living in a much different country. The American Depression was not only felt here in America. But was felt by all nations of the world. America was a Huge Importer and Exporter of Goods and when the Market crashed many countries around the world also fell with it. It was the ultimate the Depression here in America that started the War. It started here ans was felt in Europe as well and German was already in a mild depression after the WWI. This made it easy for Hitler to come into power and make his attempts at creating his "Perfect" world. I dont think that FDR was in any way a Dictator during the War but more as a person that raise Morale here on the home front for the people and Saved our Nation from further attacks by Japan as well as the possibilty of attacks by Nazi German if we didnt enter the war to stop them from progression across the Atlantic.

[*kryogenix*]

And McCarthy because Communism/Socialism isnt really tha bad of a political format if it is done with out corruption(Communism). Without it being corruoted by ppl with that lack will power it isnt that bad and it eliminated Class systems which are a mahor problem with society. But what McCarthy did to those that felt Communism was better was wrong. Beating ppl he thought where communist. Which meant Speaking againt the government or the "Norm" of the time. Wearign nething that was red. Or even some much as havin an opinion that someone else may have not liked. You rights as a human where completely revoked. And the worst part was that the Courts allowed it because it was "War Time." Lame.

Communism isn't a political format, it's an economic system. And Communism IS a bad thing. The thing was, McCarthy started a witch hunt.

Now for my big disagreement. FDR. He Saved this counrty from becoming and othder third world country. If it wasnt for him entering us into WWII after the Japanese attempt at Pacific Domination. We would be living in a much different country. The American Depression  was not only felt here in America. But was felt by all nations of the world. America was a Huge Importer and Exporter of Goods and when the Market crashed many countries around the world also fell with it. It was the ultimate the Depression here in America that started the War. It started here ans was felt in Europe as well and German was already in a mild depression after the WWI. This made it easy for Hitler to come into power and make his attempts at creating his "Perfect" world. I dont think that FDR was in any way a Dictator during the War but more as a person that raise Morale here on the home front for the people and Saved our Nation from further attacks by Japan as well as the possibilty of attacks by Nazi German if we didnt enter the war to stop them from progression across the Atlantic.

He did? Some can argue he prolonged the Great Depression. He expanded government control over the economy. We're dealing with problems created by Roosevelt today. The Depression did not start WWII. The Germans did. Read up more on Roosevelt and look at all the things he tried to get to pass. When the Supreme Court wasn't cooperative, he tried to change the Supreme Court by adding more seats so that it would pass the New Deal acts. You say Hitler gained power because Germany was in a deep depression. FDR gained so much power because America was in such a sorry state.