Winter Holiday? Options

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Around here places are no longer selling Christmas trees. They are selling Holiday trees instead. People refrain from using the term Christmas tree for fear of offending those who do not celebrate Christmas. I am unaware of any holiday during december that uses a Christmas tree, so why do we need to change the name?

Now, Christmas is the most main stread holiday out there. Not everyone celebrates it, but it is very highly advertised. If it is such a popular holiday why must the media deny it's meaning? It celebrates the birth of Christ, however people often dance around that because they do not want to offend others.

Should there be a new holiday for buying presents, one that has no religious ties? Or should Chirstmas be Christmas and not "The Winter Holiday"? I'd especially like to hear from those of you who do not celebrate Christmas.

[sadolakced acid]

i believe you've just set off our ignorance meter.

blackxpearl, i suggest you read through threads you post in in debate, as the debate rules state. seeing as you have done this in other threads, you have recieved a verbal warning for this.

EDIT;

here's a correction of your post:

Christmas tree's are christmas tree's not winter trees...wtf. The occasion is called chistmas not winter, so I see what you're saying, why must they change it.

rather, christmas trees (no apostrophe) are pine trees, fir trees, etc. the time is also called winter, there is no argument about that. unless you're in australia, in which case it's summer.

I have a chistmas tree, tisel, lights, ornaments, etc and I get presents, I don't celebrate the birth of christ or whatever b.c I'm not catholic which is totally understandable, but when people get offended my one religeons occasion then f!ck them.

catholic= only christians that celebrate christmas? i thought it was catholics who didn't believe in the whole commercialied thing, and were actually against the use of christmas in advertizments, etc.

something about only going to christmas mass for christmas?

note that, posted earlier in this thread :

mayhaps we should note that this push comes to appease not nonchristians, but devout christians who feel thier holiday has been perverted.

mayhaps we should also note that the christians took pagan holidays and made them thier own, including christmas.

Chistmas has been around for a long time, it's just an occasion, I don't see what's so offending about it, nobodys asking them to buy the christmas trees. I don't find any occasion of any religeon offending, except halloween, but that's a whole different story.

christmas has been around for a long time, but it wasn't called christmas.

saturnalia was a roman holiday to the god mithros, who also died to save people from sin. it's interesting to note the similarities between mithros and christ.

halloween is no more pagan than christmas, if you must know. when you put up a christmas tree you're praying to pagan gods. it's called an idol, and condemned by the church.

My point is, some people are just making up excuses, to the best of my knowledge christianity is the/one of the most popular religeons, it's only a few decorations, it's not as if it's saying f!ck -insert religeon here-'s. Shops can't sell decorations for every single religeon. America, I think, is a Christian continent/country/whatever the hell america is, UK is a Protestant country, India I think is muslin I THINK, you get the idea right, what shops sell is based on what that country's main religeon is. It's not meant for offense.

1- america has no religious affiliation.

2- you are correct in that great britian is protestant. however, we should note that the United Kingdom seems to include ireland, which also seems to be catholic.

3- India isn't muslim, it's hindu/muslim. kinda a conflict there, resulting in pakistan and a little thing called the india/pakistan war. you did say "i think", tho, for what it's worth.


it seems that in your post you assert first that christmas is not religious, then it's religious, then it's not religious, all using it to back up your point.

might also note (from this thread)

So it's okay for Christians to be angry at people for using terms like "holiday trees", but it's not okay for non-Christians to be mad that people sell "Christmas trees"? Is that what you're saying? I am a little confused since you're pissed at only one group of people even though both sides are guilty of the same sentiments.

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I don't really see how Christians get to celebrate Christmas. I mean, all they really did was hijack Saturnalia and other Pagan Festivals marking the winter solstice. It isn't like anyone honestly knows when Christ was born, or even that he was for sure. Christmas is just borrowed tradition, and pagan festivities.

Christians aren't pagans, so... why are they hijacking their festivals?