Nintendo Revolutions Controller, Lets check it out.. Options

[EddieV]

The new Nintendo Revolution's Controller looks really interesting. Nintendo said they want to change the way we play video games. I think out of the three system, Nintendo to me looks the most promising. The X-Box 360 only has a few new features and slightly better graphics. But basically everything is the same. Here's a link to the Nintendo Revolution's new controller.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782

[*mipadi*]

I'm not really sure what you're getting at with your examples. "2+2=4" is a fact; thus, "2+2=78" is factually incorrect. There is no "opinion" on the matter.

There should be no confusion as to whether a statement such as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable" is fact or opinion, because comfort is a subjective state; therefore, it is never a fact. Even if someone phrases their statement as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable", it does not make it a fact--it should still be analyzed as an opinion. One cannot refute an opinion. One can question an opinion ("Why do you think the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable?"), or show errors in reaching an opinion ("You should not say the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable, since you have not used it yet, and at any rate, it looks ergonomic to me"), or question the credibility of a source ("I don't believe your friend used the controller"), but one cannot make a statement such as "Your opinion is wrong"--especially in a discussion in which all statements are speculative in nature.

My problem with the arguments in this thread is that many seem to be disregarding the opinions of others, and writing them off as invalid, which comes off as quite insulting. For example, a typical "discussion" might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Well, you haven't used it yet."

The argument makes no sense: neither person has yet used the controller; both are use their imagination to form an opinion. Yet, one basically says that the other's use of imagination is invalid, which makes no sense.

My point is that a more mannered discussion might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Why do you say that? It looks very ergonomical to me."
"I think it will be hard to use two pieces at once, and a quick test with my remote control shows that your wrist could cramp up pretty easily."
"The developers will probably make sure the controller setup is natural and easy to use. Besides, the design might change by the time the Revolution is released."

See? Both are recognizing that the other's use of imagination is valid; they are merely questioning each others ideas, not the use of the tools of imagination bestowed upon them.

[ThunderEvermore]

There should be no confusion as to whether a statement such as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable" is fact or opinion, because comfort is a subjective state; therefore, it is never a fact. Even if someone phrases their statement as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable", it does not make it a fact--it should still be analyzed as an opinion.

No, it can be interpreted as an objective fact. Its gonna be a fact that its uncomfortable in his hand, while it may be comfortable in another's. And you can't make this statement without that knowledge, in which he doesnt have.

One cannot refute an opinion. One can question an opinion ("Why do you think the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable?"), or show errors in reaching an opinion ("You should not say the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable, since you have not used it yet, and at any rate, it looks ergonomic to me"), or question the credibility of a source ("I don't believe your friend used the controller"), but one cannot make a statement such as "Your opinion is wrong"--especially in a discussion in which all statements are speculative in nature.

I didnt say he was wrong, I said I doubted it, and also pointed out that he shouldnt say it considering its not in consumer hands yet. AAAAAND I pointed out "Flaws in his opinion" as he gave reasons to why he felt itd be uncomfortable.

Find me one place where ANYONE here said he was wrong.

Anyone?

My problem with the arguments in this thread is that many seem to be disregarding the opinions of others, and writing them off as invalid, which comes off as quite insulting. For example, a typical "discussion" might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Well, you haven't used it yet."

The argument makes no sense: neither person has yet used the controller; both are use their imagination to form an opinion. Yet, one basically says that the other's use of imagination is invalid, which makes no sense.

My point is that "It will be uncomfortable and hard to use" is an unnacceptable expression of a so called opinion. You cant expect us to say "I think" all the time and you not to. "I think the controller will be uncomfortable" is fine.

At any rate the conversation still progresses despite the use of the statement "Youve never used it" popping up over and over. Youre the only one really hung up on it, and youve drawn in a few followers.

My point is that a more mannered discussion might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Why do you say that? It looks very ergonomical to me."
"I think it will be hard to use two pieces at once, and a quick test with my remote control shows that your wrist could cramp up pretty easily."
"The developers will probably make sure the controller setup is natural and easy to use. Besides, the design might change by the time the Revolution is released."

See? Both are recognizing that the other's use of imagination is valid; they are merely questioning each others ideas, not the use of the tools of imagination bestowed upon them.

And this is how it DID go

I think the controller is an amazing and innovative addition to the gaming world.

i think this is a stupid idea

1. its going to be awkward and uncomfortable

I highly doubt that considering Nintendo makes some of the most comfortable controllers out there. Secondly, youve never held it, for all you know it could be made partially out of some form of memory foam or gel that conforms to your hand so well that you cna hardly tell its there.

when i talk about your hand being tired i mean hand and wrist fatigue. extend your arm with the remote in your hand towards the TV for a few hours and see how you'll feel.

I dont see how thats different than holding a controller towards the TV/Console. You CAN rest it on your leg, lap, arm of the chair, etc when youre not directly using it to slash and shoot.

And so it goes on.

No insult tossing.

No disregarding.

Infact, everything was ok until you started throwing around the word hypocrite.

The bottom line is that when you state something that can be, and is being interpreted as a fact, especially when backed up by supposed first/second hand knowledge, you cant really speak because ITS NOT OUT YET.