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Nintendo Revolutions Controller, Lets check it out..
EddieV
post Nov 22 2005, 11:24 AM
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The new Nintendo Revolution's Controller looks really interesting. Nintendo said they want to change the way we play video games. I think out of the three system, Nintendo to me looks the most promising. The X-Box 360 only has a few new features and slightly better graphics. But basically everything is the same. Here's a link to the Nintendo Revolution's new controller.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782
 
 
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post Dec 10 2005, 10:28 PM
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I'm not really sure what you're getting at with your examples. "2+2=4" is a fact; thus, "2+2=78" is factually incorrect. There is no "opinion" on the matter.

There should be no confusion as to whether a statement such as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable" is fact or opinion, because comfort is a subjective state; therefore, it is never a fact. Even if someone phrases their statement as "The Revolution's controller is uncomfortable", it does not make it a fact--it should still be analyzed as an opinion. One cannot refute an opinion. One can question an opinion ("Why do you think the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable?"), or show errors in reaching an opinion ("You should not say the Revolution's controller is uncomfortable, since you have not used it yet, and at any rate, it looks ergonomic to me"), or question the credibility of a source ("I don't believe your friend used the controller"), but one cannot make a statement such as "Your opinion is wrong"--especially in a discussion in which all statements are speculative in nature.

My problem with the arguments in this thread is that many seem to be disregarding the opinions of others, and writing them off as invalid, which comes off as quite insulting. For example, a typical "discussion" might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Well, you haven't used it yet."

The argument makes no sense: neither person has yet used the controller; both are use their imagination to form an opinion. Yet, one basically says that the other's use of imagination is invalid, which makes no sense.

My point is that a more mannered discussion might go like this:

"I think the Ninteno Revolution's controller is really cool, and will be a lot of fun to use."
"I don't. It will be uncomfortable and hard to use."
"Why do you say that? It looks very ergonomical to me."
"I think it will be hard to use two pieces at once, and a quick test with my remote control shows that your wrist could cramp up pretty easily."
"The developers will probably make sure the controller setup is natural and easy to use. Besides, the design might change by the time the Revolution is released."

See? Both are recognizing that the other's use of imagination is valid; they are merely questioning each others ideas, not the use of the tools of imagination bestowed upon them.
 

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xnofearx   Nintendo Revolutions Controller   Nov 22 2005, 11:24 AM
uLoVeMikeRoch   Eh. I don't see myself using this thing. I hop...   Nov 23 2005, 01:04 AM
evanbunnell   It looks very promising, but hopefully developers ...   Nov 23 2005, 04:29 AM
ThunderEvermore   I touched on all this ALOT in the Nintendo Revolut...   Nov 23 2005, 09:54 AM
sadolakced acid   ^ all i care about is being able to play jedi k...   Nov 24 2005, 03:45 AM
xnofearx   ^ I feel you, for once we actually feel like being...   Nov 24 2005, 12:34 PM
uLoVeMikeRoch   But what about the other game genre's ? What ...   Nov 24 2005, 03:02 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(uLoVeMikeRoch @ Nov 24 2005, 4:02 PM)Bu...   Nov 27 2005, 09:18 PM
uLoVeMikeRoch   QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Nov 27 2005, 9:18 PM)...   Dec 4 2005, 02:04 AM
evanbunnell   QUOTE(uLoVeMikeRoch @ Dec 4 2005, 2:04 AM)Ok....   Dec 4 2005, 02:58 AM
Tribal J_Rome   it does look promising in how it's changing an...   Nov 24 2005, 05:27 PM
artislife90   It looks cool, but I'd hate to have to take up...   Nov 26 2005, 08:45 PM
liquidize   its ugly   Nov 27 2005, 08:22 PM
masu_misairu   just cause it's gonna be new doesn't mean ...   Nov 27 2005, 09:38 PM
anqie   i think it's corny. and i'd feel weird usi...   Nov 27 2005, 09:40 PM
xnofearx   ^ That's what everyone said when the testers s...   Nov 27 2005, 10:41 PM
Rachel is love   I think it looks awesome!   Nov 30 2005, 07:10 PM
Ken   me = def going to be all over it when it comes out...   Nov 30 2005, 08:19 PM
L!ckitySplit   okay, that remote, is the controller? eh, i dont k...   Dec 4 2005, 02:10 AM
L!ckitySplit   i think this is a stupid idea 1. its going to be ...   Dec 4 2005, 07:31 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 4 2005, 7:31 PM)...   Dec 5 2005, 01:10 AM
vash1530   quote from L!ckitySplit,Dec 4 2005, 7:31 PM i ...   Dec 5 2005, 01:45 AM
vash1530   somethings wrong with my browser   Dec 5 2005, 01:49 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 4 2005, 7:31 PM)...   Dec 5 2005, 06:52 PM
vash1530   i just hope they can get some good 3rd party publi...   Dec 5 2005, 12:41 AM
vash1530   i just hope they can get some good 3rd party publi...   Dec 5 2005, 12:46 AM
ThunderEvermore   Dude, no more of the double posting. Anyway... As...   Dec 5 2005, 12:54 PM
sadolakced acid   i rock at light gun games. give me a joystick wit...   Dec 5 2005, 08:55 PM
L!ckitySplit   i wont quote all of you sooo, personally, i thin...   Dec 5 2005, 10:40 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTEpersonally, i think nintendo made themselves ...   Dec 6 2005, 03:39 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 5 2005, 10:40 PM...   Dec 6 2005, 09:54 PM
sadolakced acid   i can whoop you with a rev controler on light gun ...   Dec 5 2005, 10:42 PM
L!ckitySplit   well if the game caters to the light gun all aroun...   Dec 5 2005, 10:55 PM
sadolakced acid   i love time crisis. :-) a light gun if more intu...   Dec 5 2005, 11:46 PM
mipadi   I'd prefer not to use a light gun. I normally ...   Dec 6 2005, 01:10 AM
xnofearx   ^ Who said you have to wave your arm around, you j...   Dec 6 2005, 09:04 AM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTE(xnofearx @ Dec 6 2005, 10:04 AM)^ Who s...   Dec 6 2005, 06:06 PM
xnofearx   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 6 2005, 6:06 PM)...   Dec 6 2005, 06:38 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 6 2005, 7:06 PM)...   Dec 6 2005, 09:06 PM
sadolakced acid   i assume the revolution controler could have a tra...   Dec 6 2005, 07:06 PM
xnofearx   ^ I was thinking the exact same thing, this topic ...   Dec 6 2005, 08:34 PM
sadolakced acid   well, we certainly know it will be different. i...   Dec 6 2005, 08:36 PM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTEI'm getting the impression you didn't...   Dec 7 2005, 12:26 AM
uLoVeMikeRoch   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 7 2005, 12:26 AM...   Dec 7 2005, 01:30 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(uLoVeMikeRoch @ Dec 7 2005, 1:30 AM)He ...   Dec 7 2005, 01:42 AM
uLoVeMikeRoch   Whoops.   Dec 9 2005, 12:37 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 7 2005, 12:26 AM...   Dec 7 2005, 02:28 AM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 7 2005, 3:28 AM)Sounds ...   Dec 7 2005, 06:01 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 7 2005, 6:01 PM)...   Dec 7 2005, 07:16 PM
vash1530   yea the xbox controller looks like an advanced dc ...   Dec 7 2005, 07:30 AM
xnofearx   Jesus Christ, what have I created....?   Dec 7 2005, 07:30 PM
mipadi   I find it a bit hypocritcal that a common response...   Dec 7 2005, 07:35 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 7 2005, 7:35 PM)I find it ...   Dec 7 2005, 07:46 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 7 2005, 7:46 PM)How so?...   Dec 7 2005, 07:59 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 7 2005, 7:59 PM)How is you...   Dec 7 2005, 10:31 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 7 2005, 10:31 PM)Becaus...   Dec 8 2005, 12:23 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 8 2005, 12:23 AM)I still d...   Dec 8 2005, 10:49 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 8 2005, 10:49 PM)Well, ...   Dec 8 2005, 11:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 8 2005, 11:28 PM)I already...   Dec 9 2005, 10:53 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 9 2005, 10:53 AM)Don...   Dec 9 2005, 02:01 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 9 2005, 3:01 PM)This is pa...   Dec 9 2005, 06:38 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Dec 9 2005, 6:38 PM)I...   Dec 10 2005, 02:34 AM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 10 2005, 3:34 AM)His opini...   Dec 10 2005, 09:36 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 8 2005, 1:23 AM)I still do...   Dec 8 2005, 11:28 PM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTEYou're already dismissing the controller,...   Dec 7 2005, 09:03 PM
ThunderEvermore   Wow, this turned into a novel. I think the whole ...   Dec 7 2005, 11:20 PM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTEIf you still insist on saying it would be mor...   Dec 7 2005, 11:46 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 7 2005, 11:46 PM...   Dec 7 2005, 11:56 PM
L!ckitySplit   im actually talking console wise, i never said ...   Dec 8 2005, 12:06 AM
vash1530   i think fps's will play great on the controlle...   Dec 8 2005, 03:07 AM
L!ckitySplit   It ISNT fit for all games!^ it only has 4 damn...   Dec 8 2005, 09:24 AM
sadolakced acid   your fallacy is you assume that everyone else thin...   Dec 8 2005, 09:22 PM
vash1530   THIS SHOULD DEF. BE IN DEBATE!!! btw ...   Dec 9 2005, 12:05 AM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(vash1530 @ Dec 9 2005, 1:05 AM)THIS SHO...   Dec 9 2005, 12:07 AM
vash1530   QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Dec 9 2005, 12:07 AM)...   Dec 9 2005, 12:40 AM
uLoVeMikeRoch   Ok ok, I hear you guys. But ok. Still, nobody has ...   Dec 9 2005, 12:30 AM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(uLoVeMikeRoch @ Dec 9 2005, 1:30 AM)Ok ...   Dec 9 2005, 09:17 AM
vash1530   ^i have to say that i totally isagree with ur opin...   Dec 9 2005, 05:26 PM
L!ckitySplit   im gone for a few seconds and already you think i ...   Dec 9 2005, 09:22 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 9 2005, 9:22 PM)...   Dec 10 2005, 10:01 AM
sadolakced acid   it's just a controller guys. (try to keep you...   Dec 10 2005, 12:37 AM
vash1530   ^yea wtf! i'm not gonna read all that...   Dec 10 2005, 02:33 AM
L!ckitySplit   i cant tell if you even read all what i had to say...   Dec 10 2005, 01:02 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Dec 10 2005, 1:02 PM...   Dec 10 2005, 02:01 PM
sadolakced acid   nintendo= wants to change the way you play games. ...   Dec 10 2005, 01:19 PM
L!ckitySplit   sometimes the feeling i get from nintendo is that ...   Dec 10 2005, 01:49 PM
pandamonium   its funny how i made a topic JUST on the nintendo ...   Dec 10 2005, 02:00 PM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTETell me how Narnia was when you get back. lo...   Dec 10 2005, 02:13 PM
Krunk_Muzik   Uhm, plain stupid and ugly. I hate Nintendo. And i...   Dec 10 2005, 02:39 PM
vash1530   ^thank you for that great contribution to this dis...   Dec 10 2005, 04:49 PM
mipadi   Tell me, have you personally used the controller? ...   Dec 10 2005, 09:52 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 10 2005, 10:52 PM)Tell me,...   Dec 10 2005, 09:54 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Dec 10 2005, 9:54 PM)...   Dec 10 2005, 10:02 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 10 2005, 11:02 PM)Negative...   Dec 10 2005, 10:15 PM
L!ckitySplit   QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Dec 10 2005, 10:54 PM...   Dec 10 2005, 10:34 PM
sadolakced acid   he did assert it as fact and offered the testimona...   Dec 10 2005, 10:03 PM
mipadi   I'm not really sure what you're getting at...   Dec 10 2005, 10:28 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 10 2005, 11:28 PM)There sh...   Dec 10 2005, 11:07 PM
xnofearx   ^ You give me a headache, not because I disagree w...   Dec 10 2005, 10:31 PM
jEllyBeaNs   ooo wow who in the heCk would actually use a freaK...   Dec 11 2005, 02:08 AM
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