Are you religous?, And Why? Options

[vash1530]

because of the recent debate i've been having in the "Jesus... is he Gay?" thread, i've decided to make a new thread so that I can argue eith ppl and not be off-topic. When anyone is ready, ill start the assault.

[Mulder]

you just seem really ignorant.

im almost athiest.. but i understand the purpose of religion. it provides people with hope, it gives them a reason to live. peoples children who die can turn to their faith for comfort..

at least understand that.

[vash1530]

you just seem really ignorant.

im almost athiest.. but i understand the purpose of religion. it provides people with hope, it gives them a reason to live. peoples children who die can turn to their faith for comfort..

at least understand that.

i understand that its convenient.
my question is can you understand that its a sad thing that people have to cloud their vision just so that they can feel good about themselves. Religion makes people so dependant, sometimes almost helpless without it.
more later(ive got hw)

[Spirited Away]

i understand that its convenient.
my question is can you understand that its a sad thing that people have to cloud their vision just so that they can feel good about themselves. Religion makes people so dependant, sometimes almost helpless without it.
more later(ive got hw)

Before I start, I'd like you to know that I'm an agnostic, who came from from a family of devout Buddhists and Catholics. I completely understand where you're coming from when you say that religion make one dependent and helpless. I'm somewhat of a humanist, and I believe that we, naturally, have strengths to overcome certain obstacles which religion claims only a higher power can help us. I also believe in the human mind, that in the right environment—not necessarily the best one, can hold together under oppression and hardships of any kind.

With that said, I think your views are somewhat similar to a philosopher I once read. He believes that religion, namely Christianity, makes man weak, corrupted even, and that those who can resist the lure religion become a "higher" type of man—one that is superior to all the rest. Though I have much respect for this philosopher, I cannot dare agree to this view completely.

If you so believe in humanity, in that a person can make his/her own decisions, and overcome all things, you have a right to believe it. However, in the same rationale, you must also trust a person, believe that he/she will make the decision that will most benefit himself, even if religion is the final decision. Choosing religion does not make him pathetic, or weak, it makes him human; a human whose mind has failed him in some way. No, that was not an insult, it was an observation. The said failing may be distrust of friends and family or disappointment in life. Instinctively, the mind reaches out for whatever it is that can right the failing. Religion, or developing all kinds of concepts and ideals, may be some things to correct it. Again, this is the human thing to do.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Nov 21 2005, 03:06 PM

[vash1530]

Before I start, I'd like you to know that I'm an agnostic, who came from from a family of devout Buddhists and Catholics. I completely understand where you're coming from when you say that religion make one dependent and helpless. I'm somewhat of a humanist, and I believe that we, naturally, have strengths to overcome certain obstacles which religion claims only a higher power can help us. I also believe in the human mind, that in the right environment—not necessarily the best one, can hold together under oppression and hardships of any kind. 

With that said, I think your views are somewhat similar to a philosopher I once read. He believes that religion, namely Christianity, makes man weak, corrupted even, and that those who can resist the lure religion become a "higher" type of man—one that is superior to all the rest. Though I have much respect for this philosopher, I cannot dare agree to this view completely.

If you so believe in humanity, in that a person can make his/her own decisions, and overcome all things, you have a right to believe it. However, in the same rationale, you must also trust a person, believe that he/she will make the decision that will most benefit himself, even if religion is the final decision. Choosing religion does not make him pathetic, or weak, it makes him human; a human whose mind has failed him in some way. No, that was not an insult, it was an observation. The said failing may be distrust of friends and family or disappointment in life. Instinctively, the mind reaches out for whatever it is that can right the failing. Religion, or developing all kinds of concepts and ideals, may be some things to correct it. Again, this is the human thing to do.

im not trying to say that im overall a better person than a religous person (thats an opinion) i do believe however that i am a free-thinker because i use reason and logic instead of beliefs and opinions which drive any major religion.

[*disco infiltrator*]

im not trying to say that im overall a better person than a religous person (thats an opinion) i do believe however that i am a free-thinker because i use reason and logic instead of beliefs and opinions which drive any major religion.

No. That's not free-thinking. That's the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality.

Christianity is not wrong. If your mind works in the way that [actual] Christians do, then that would seem to make most sense. It is logical, just, not to you and me. To those who strongly believe in a God and/or Gods, that's what makes most sense. It works and connects to them. Just because you don't agree with it or just because it seems ridiculous to you (as it does to me), that still doesn't make it wrong. It's merely differing mindsets.

This is what you have yet to understand. Just because you may think differently than someone else does not make them any less intelligent.

Have you ever thought that maybe they are the strong ones? Try thinking about it. I mean, we don't have the strength to take that leap of faith and believe in something that might be wrong, simply on chance. I know I couldn't believe in something based solely on faith. That's why I don't. It's not in me to follow something I have no evidence of. I don't have a strong enough mind to resist the alternate theory and take that leap.

Look at things from another point of view before you go off calling others weak and stupid simply for having differing opinions. They are just as equal as you (if they know what they're talking about). They just are not you.