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American Constitution, Was it twisted?
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post Oct 23 2005, 12:46 PM
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The American Constitution, ratified in the 1780s, is a set of laws that make sure the people have certain rights and protections. The first ammendment, part of which includes the freedom of religion has been twisted into a supression of religion. It says that the government will not establish any specific religion, meaning nationally. It also encompasses the fact that the government will not punish someone because of their religion, but certain people have twisted it into now we cant even speak about religion in schools or government buildings...do you think this is right? or should we be able to talk about God (whoever yours may be) and Christmas instead of X-mas?
 
 
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post Nov 6 2005, 01:07 PM
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1. They aren't the laws we follow, they are the laws by which our laws are founded. 1-4 have to do with individual choice. You cannot govern thoughts. It's impossible and thus, are not applied in worldly courts.

2.Religiously free country. Not a country without religion. There is a difference.

3.How come government officials aren't free to express themselves? They're free too, are they not?
 
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post Nov 7 2005, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 6 2005, 1:07 PM)
1. They aren't the laws we follow, they are the laws by which our laws are founded. 1-4 have to do with individual choice. You cannot govern thoughts. It's impossible and thus, are not applied in worldly courts.

2.Religiously free country. Not a country without religion. There is a difference.

3.How come government officials aren't free to express themselves? They're free too, are they not?
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1) A strong belief by which our laws are founded is "seperation of Church and State". Also, in America, there is no law above the Constitution, spiritual or not, and religious opinions are not to be promoted by the government. These establishments in the law protect what you called "INDIVIDUAL CHOICE". The law cannot govern thoughts, but it may protect them. Though, one thing I'm curious about is calling something a 'commandment', but leave it to individuals to decide to follow the command. And why, if 1-4 are not applied in worldly courts, should they be posted at all?

I should also mention, that to claim that our laws are founded upon the words of God while the Constitution holds no mention of God is very presumptuous.

2) No, indeed. This country has many religions because it was founded on the principle of religious freedom. So again, was the goal of finding America, on a religious perspective, to make it Christian country, or was to make a religiously free country? The answer is obvious.

3) That is the same as asking why are teachers not allowed to give their own political opinions in the classrooms and I'm sure you know the answer already. The laws the government officials swore to protect are those of the Constitution. If government officials are in a position to make America a Christian (or any other religion) country, it would put the Constitution in jepardy. And though they are free to go to church, they may not turn where they work into a church. Some work places do it, if they are a private company.
 

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murderous_thoughts   American Constitution   Oct 23 2005, 12:46 PM
Spirited Away   since when can we not speak about religion in scho...   Oct 24 2005, 11:28 PM
disco infiltrator   Who's twisted in in such a way and when has th...   Oct 25 2005, 03:53 PM
sovietski   I know teachers can't say God..or speak about ...   Oct 26 2005, 05:21 PM
simx   There have been numerous supreme court cases where...   Oct 26 2005, 07:13 PM
disco infiltrator   Putting the ten commandments outside of a governme...   Oct 26 2005, 08:52 PM
sikdragon   QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Oct 26 2005, 8:52 P...   Oct 27 2005, 03:01 AM
WindSorcerous   All I know is that we claim we have a separation o...   Oct 26 2005, 09:02 PM
insomniac   well, no. even at private catholic schools, studen...   Oct 26 2005, 09:53 PM
murderous_thoughts   I didn't mean as a law, but in certain parts o...   Oct 26 2005, 09:58 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(sovietski @ Oct 26 2005, 5:21 PM)I know...   Oct 26 2005, 10:01 PM
disco infiltrator   Because then it seems as if they are living in a C...   Oct 27 2005, 12:10 PM
yummy_delight   I think the mention of "God" in schools ...   Oct 27 2005, 07:05 PM
krispy_kreme333   QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Oct 27 2005, 7:05 PM) O...   Oct 28 2005, 02:18 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(krispy_kreme333 @ Oct 28 2005, 3:18 PM)...   Oct 28 2005, 02:20 PM
krispy_kreme333   QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 28 2005, 2:20 PM)Is that w...   Oct 28 2005, 02:42 PM
mipadi   No one's telling Christians they don't hav...   Oct 28 2005, 03:03 PM
Spirited Away   we already have a ten commandments thread and some...   Oct 27 2005, 07:30 PM
digital.fragrance   How about this... evolution in schools. The gover...   Oct 27 2005, 07:37 PM
disco infiltrator   Evolution is a scientific theory and doesn't h...   Oct 27 2005, 08:00 PM
disco infiltrator   How would you feel that instead of posting the Ten...   Oct 28 2005, 02:51 PM
krispy_kreme333   QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Oct 28 2005, 2:51 P...   Oct 28 2005, 03:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(krispy_kreme333 @ Oct 28 2005, 3:00 PM)...   Oct 28 2005, 07:33 PM
swtcherriipie   I never really cared... im like cathiest... lol my...   Oct 28 2005, 02:53 PM
krispy_kreme333   Putting the 10 Commandments outside a courthouse i...   Oct 28 2005, 03:06 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(krispy_kreme333 @ Oct 28 2005, 4:06 PM)...   Oct 28 2005, 03:08 PM
krispy_kreme333   No, there isn't a need for Christian symbols t...   Oct 28 2005, 03:14 PM
mipadi   By persecuted, I mean that Christian beliefs are h...   Oct 28 2005, 03:20 PM
krispy_kreme333   Well then, I think I need to resign my position. I...   Oct 28 2005, 03:32 PM
murderous_thoughts   I dont know how the debate got shifted to the 10 C...   Oct 28 2005, 10:46 PM
disco infiltrator   QUOTE(murderous_thoughts @ Oct 28 2005, 10:46...   Oct 30 2005, 04:09 PM
Genuine_Essence   Hmmm....thats a tough one   Oct 29 2005, 11:48 PM
sikdragon   QUOTEEvolution is a scientific theory and doesn...   Nov 1 2005, 12:14 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 1 2005, 12:14 PM)Well, ...   Nov 6 2005, 11:51 AM
sikdragon   1. They aren't the laws we follow, they are th...   Nov 6 2005, 01:07 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(sikdragon @ Nov 6 2005, 1:07 PM)1. They...   Nov 7 2005, 06:06 PM


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